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Monday, June 30, 2014

Rationalism, Christianity actually clarifies things quite a good deal....

Below-copied by ap first published at

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Mariner's Question Answered: Aristotle Vs. Plato Plotted In Detail & Demonstrated For Sociology, Etc.
(Apollonian, 30 Jun 14)

Mariner (see below-copied): u're right, it is abstract, but still quite valid and discernible--so we simply convert to more practical symbology, as it were.  Thus Aristotelians who heed to an objective reality equate, generally, to dear Christianity, Christ being symbol for TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH above all/any other precepts (including love, peace, "faith," or "good," Gosp. JOHN 14:6) against lies (JOHN 8:44).  Note then u can't have truth without an objective reality for reference/premise.  And lies are simply subjectivist concoctions pretending to objectivity, eh?--at least that's one understanding.

National socialism was desperate, half-baked attempt to opposing the bolsheviki--socialism seemed all the rage at the moment, so it was taken and stylized to oppose the international, bolshevik sort--which interestingly was totally funded and subsidized by the Western bankers, according to Antony C. Sutton and others.  I agree nat. soc. did rather resemble Zionism, at least in some ways, but that wasn't necessarily deliberate.

"Creolization" (whatever that is--presumably ur word for race-mixing/bastardization) doesn't need more than the attitudinal anti-pathy it already has.  And sorry, but I don't care about Jews--they'll have to look out for themselves, as they've been doing, mass-murdering the Palestinians and Arabs and others--pay-backs are always tough, eh?  Their "doctrine"?--just lies and prop. which doesn't impress too many people nowadays--in fact, less and less, it seems.

Mariner: u just gotta accept reality, LIFE IS WAR and struggle, noted by all the great thinkers, Homer, Plato, St. Augustine, Machiavelli, Hobbes--not only Darwin who merely synthesized the facts w. biology.

-----------------------------above by ap in response to below-copied--------------------------

Quote Originally Posted by Anc' Mariner View Post
Hm. Your whole construct of "Platonists vs Aristotelians" is totally abstract. How do you objectively determine which camp a person is even in.

As far as tribe mixing. The Jewish people have hardly mixed at all in 3000 years, and even their worst modern enemies in Europe (the National Socialists) believed they were a superior race, albeit one in a Darwinian struggle for dominance with the non-Jewish Germanics. The big difference is in the ethos. Some people make really good attorneys, physicians, mathematicians, analysts, etc. And some people make really good fighters (like the Prussians). Both might be capable of advanced cultivation and technology (especially if they work together instead of stupidly/pointlessly acting against each other).

One could argue that National Socialism was like a mirror of political Zionism. Both are partly secular and partly religious (the NS had their own strange but very modern form of quasi religion). But both focused on joining together as a newly unified people and protecting their kinfolk - because both believed they had a divine/evolutionary mission connected to unique moral qualities embodied in their collective ethos.

Even Herzl thought the Jewish people would get a strange kind of help. Some disaffected Prussian guy named Kingscourt pops up in Altneuland, his novel about Zionism.

For the West at large, mixture and Creolization are just the reality. If you object to it, you need more than a 'tude. You need a strategy. A collective strategy that doesn't involve hurting the Jewish people. Their doctrine says they are protected. Maybe others are also protected in a similar way too for synergistic/complementary reasons. Harming people like that is an existential mistake. A Darwinian mistake that tends to backfire in a bad way.

----------------------above by "mariner" in response to below by ap------------------------------

Christian Revolution Of St. Constantine, Nullification, Secession: Necessary Resort Of People
(Apollonian, 30 Jun 14)

I quite agree w. this, but must reject all the rest of ur piece.  It rather seems mixing races is ur end-all and be-all, w. which I'd venture very, very few would agree.  For a mixed-race is a conquered race, a race of bastards, if u will--and no one wants this.  So guess again, mariner.

I'd rather say we're merely waiting for another St. Constantine the Great to arise, leading the rational people, though momentarily dis-united, against the mad idealists and Platonists/moralists who've now succeeded in destroying so much of the world we used to know.

Thus among the master-minds of Council on Foreign Relations/Trilateralists/Bilderbergers we await the inevitable falling-out, there being "no honor among thieves."  And we note there seems to be some rivalry/opposition among the conspirators btwn one faction of "leftists," led nominally by Obama, vs. the neo-con supporters of Israel, there being yet a third faction behind such as Ron Paul, Jesse Ventura, and Alex Jones (

Meantime the people of USA must make use of "nullification" of the central Federal gov. and states-rights.

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