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Friday, December 2, 2016

Thomas Paine, a magnificent patriot, was surely inspired by Holy Spirit....

Below-copied by ap first published at comments, https://bellofchurch.blogspot.com/20...l#comment-form

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Paine Was Inspired By Holy Spirit, Surely
(Apollonian, 2 Dec 16)

Regarding the blog-author's summary, we observe it begins: "[e]ven if [Thomas] Paine’s argument succeeds, Christianity is not shown to be false." And the summary ends, far too condescendingly and smugly: "...I don’t see much for the Christian to worry about." For a true Christian, truly possessed of Holy Spirit, doesn't "worry."

For there's quite a bit to be concerned about, however, as we see establishment Christianity is thoroughly corrupt and literally OWNED by satanists, using Christianity for purpose, ultimately, of genocide in accord w. Agenda-21 pop. reduction. Just listen to the present Pope of Rome, for example.

Is Christianity "false"?--well, it merely depends upon which basic premise, in accord w. "first philosophy" one chooses (remember first premises can't be "proven"). If one chooses Aristotelian objectivity, our dear Christianity makes excellent sense.

But if one chooses non-objectivity, say subjectivism or full-out mysticism (Platonist "good," for example), then Christianity might be understandably (under the circumstances) rejected as false. And we remind the readers of people who are brought-up in the mentality of satanism and, for example, Judaism.

So Paine's complaints are quite reasonable, esp. in regard to his emphasis upon method and epistemology. Paine merely fails to see to the real substance of the Christian story, the dialectic of Christ vs. the satanists led by Pharisees.

Thus for over two hundred yrs now Paine's quandary, regarding mysticism, is valid for the capture of establishment Christianity. Luckily the Christians are warned fm Christian New Test. text itself of "false prophets," and further, we know simply fm history of establishment persecution of heroes like Martin Luther. And we see even this history regarding Luther is much mis-represented by the establishment figures of his own Church. Do people begin to realize it's nearly impossible to get a copy of Luther's work, "The Jews and their Lies"?

So what are the establishment churches good for?--they preserve the actual stories and that precious record of dialectic btwn Christ and the Pharisees--this is what Paine, and so many of humanity still, over-looked, that full record of that basic dialectic btwn truth and lies. For they cannot fail to admit the triumph of Christ (= truth, Gosp. JOHN 14:6), as St. Paul reminds us, the resurrection of truth (= Christ), as truth is God and cannot be killed, no matter how hard the Pharisaics try--because even the Pharisees would admit (though they refuse) they can't kill God's (objective) reality. Hence truth ALWAYS comes-back to bite them.

So the true Christian shouldn't worry--as that's what is purpose of Holy Spirit (reason, honesty, integrity), to allay any such worry. But problem remains for the (earthly) fate of humanity who are still soooo complacent in face of satanic ferocity threatening w. such horrendous pop. reduction.

For satanism is real, practical problem, though it isn't complicated, being (a) rejection of objective reality, (b) extreme subjectivism, the subject making himself God, this actually the case of very clever people who make this satanism most practical as in way of collective subjectivism, a difficult thing for gentiles, but much easier, as we see, for Jews, some masons, and surely for a few others too. And even though Paine may overlook the full problem of satanism, yet he makes honest effort for Holy Spirit.

Tuesday, November 29, 2016

Thomas Paine didn't fully appreciate/grasp Christian literature/philosophy, though he tried his best....

Below-copied by ap first published at comments,
https://bellofchurch.blogspot.com/20...80697083908953

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Paine Overlooked Full Literary/Philosophic Significance/Appreciation Of Dear Christianity
(Apollonian, 30 Nov 16)

Christianity (New Test.) ought best be understood as rationalist literary dialectic to preceding Pharisaic anti-thesis, esp. regarding "midrash" and "Oral Law Tradition" subjectivism, hence satanism. Thus New Test. and Christ restates and clarifies Old Test.

So Christianity, in New Test., presented a perfectly rational philosophy embedded within the story-line text which Paine failed to entirely grasp, but probably most accurately understood was mis-represented by so many false Christians to being merely a sort/version of the same old Pharisaic MYSTICISM/subjectivism.

So Paine was quite justified to denouncing mysticism, including the Christian-styled sort. And his argument is quite good, far as it goes.

For in reason and logic, one cannot prove a universal negative, that there is no God.

Hence the great achievement of Christianity, beginning w. the literature (New Test.) is (a) it demonstrates the Godly quality of TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6), worthy of worship, the greatest value and virtue, this (b) against satanism and lies, in general (JOHN 8:44), and (c) specifically singling out and identifying Jews ("Jew" defined as followers of Pharisees/Talmud, distinct fm Judean, an error made by the author of this article) as foremost satanists, demonstrated by history and reality. (d) Dear Christianity further demonstrates a rational, practical, understandable ETHIC, following in perfect reason, by which to live and conduct one's life, far superior to the perpetual warfare and enmity of humanity of Pharisaism.

So in his striving to be rational and properly respectful of TRUTH, Paine actually follows Christian ideal and ethic; Paine just doesn't fully understand the Christian literary and philosophic dialectic as regarding Pharisaism, satanism, and objective nature of reality.

Mystic special pleading, in guise of "philosophy" (esp. Platonist), is massive for reification of non-existent "good"....


Below-copied essay by ap first published at comments, https://bellofchurch.blogspot.com/20...l#comment-form

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Christian Worships TRUTH (= Christ) In Accord W. Holy Spirit (Reason, Honesty, Integrity)
(Apollonian, 29 Nov 16)

U say, above:

"To put it slightly differently, just as knowing that truth *exists* is one thing, but finding out what propositions are true is something else, so too, knowing that good exists is not the same thing as being correct about what things are good."

TRUTH (= Christ, Gosp. JOHN 14:6) exists given the ASSUMPTION (as all logic is necessarily founded) of objective (Aristotelian) reality. Particulars are then mere subsets, including non-existent, particular (even if abstract) "good-evil."

Subjectivism, never forget, is just another (the alternative) assumption which one can choose, but question is what practical good does it do? For subjectivism only fails by reduction-ad-absurdum, that's all, and that's why objectivity is more useful, practical choice.

Subjectivism is necessary premise to satanism and "good," "good" mere instrument of satanism--it's reason, for another example, Alex Jones (InfoWars.com) is heavily promoted by Jews, satanists, including hitlery Clinton, Jones notorious pusher of such "good-evil" fallacy/heresy (Pelagianism).

And all u do for "good" is, like typical Platonist, begging question repetitively, obsessively, continuously--as if to thus make such begging-question seemingly legitimate. Good is necessarily a particular, if it exists, which must be demonstrated and properly defined (regardless what u say about "definition") which we see u're incapable of doing.

Thus we see u continue to wiggle and squirm, begging the question, and special-pleading etc., for ur obsession for "good" (and hence "evil"), almost as if u want to reify this non-existent "good" by means of repetitively asserting it exists, even as u practically admit it can't be defined (and despite cavilling over meaning/use of the word, "definition").

So if "good" exists, given it's wide usage, it deserves a fairly simple, practical definition, "good" being mere PARTICULAR, though perhaps abstract, which neither u nor anyone else can do, period; admit the truth like proper Christian.


----------------above by ap in response to below-copied----------------------


Liberty Bell November 29, 2016 at 12:59 PM

Remember that there is a difference between metaphysics (the study of being or existence) and epistemology (the study of how we know). We should not confuse the two. A thing's metaphysical status is one thing; it's epistemic status is another.

The good and the true are an analogous positions, both with respect to metaphysics and epistemology. To put it slightly differently, just as knowing that truth *exists* is one thing, but finding out what propositions are true is something else, so too, knowing that good exists is not the same thing as being correct about what things are good.

I deny that any of the examples of moral confusion that you gesture towards - self-hatred, slavery, prohibition, seat-belt laws, fiat-money creation, and so on - are clearcut reasons to deny the existence of goodness. They give no better reason to deny the existence of goodness than they do to deny the existence of truth. After all, someone could say that the confusions that you highlight are primarily confusions over truth and over derivatively confusions over goodness.

But, presumably, you would want to say that racial self-hatred is not good and that it is true that one should not have racial self-hatred. And so on for each example.

For sure, your examples show that it is often difficult to come to know what propositions are true and what acts are good. And it is often contentious to advocate in favor of particular propositions or of particular acts. However, again, to draw metaphysical confusions from this epistemic quagmire just conflates metaphysics with epistemology.

Thursday, November 24, 2016

ZOG CANNOT allow Trump to taking office, suckers (a), and (b) ZOG MUST take-out I-net....

Why/How Trump Fails, Poor Stupid, Utterly Compromised Bastard
(Apollonian, 24 Nov 16)

Signs are very ominous ZOG WILL NOT allow Trump to take office. (a) Observe the ZOG maintains its imperialist impetus, including the propaganda, including the warfare, as in Syria, Turkey building a 2nd base in Syria: http://www.globalresearch.ca/invasio...-syria/5558597. Then there's "pizza-gate." And the pt. is ZOG cannot allow Trump to take office, which now can ONLY be allowed to be occupied by one of ZOG's trust-worthy, dependable little puppets.

(b) Most of all, ZOG MUST remove the I-net which by itself is closing-in on too much truth for ZOG's purposes.

(c) Note how Trump is DESPERATELY trying to placate ZOG, promising to not prosecute hitlery, talking about putting in Romney as Sec. State. For Trump KNOWS he's still got to get past the Electoral College, and remember ZOG controlling trillions to be printed-up by US Federal Reserve Bank (see Mises.org for expo on "fed") as necessary has their people at the ready.

The people urgently need UNIFICATION, direction, leadership, and this can be done, but Trump, the poor fool, led astray by his kike buddies, to whom he's sold his soul, will not allow it--which is invoking the Christian anti-satanic ideal and principle, Christ standing for TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6) against Jew/satanic lies.

SO IF TRUMP CAN'T DO IT (this Christian unification on anti-satanic principle), then someone else must. This anti-satanic (hence Christian) unification will happen sometime as it's inevitable, only question is when and how many stupid, brainless scum, puke, and filth must die fm among the people. Remember lots of otherwise "good" folks will perish too.

So if there are any of u stupid bastards out there who can read and unnastan', I suggest u brainless scum start getting a clue to saving ur scummy lives, speaking the simple truth about Christ = truth, and the satanists/Jews are exposed and freaking-out, presently, willing and capable of killing lots of u dumb, brainless puke, called "the people."

Tuesday, November 22, 2016

Regardless all the abstract distractions, note Pelagianism, "good-evil" heresy, fallacy, has serious, distinct, practical, down-to-earth problems, consequences....

Below-copied essay by ap first published at comments, https://bellofchurch.blogspot.com/20...l#comment-form

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"Good-Evil" Heresy (Pelagianism) Has Serious Implications, Consequences
(Apollonian, 22 Nov 16)

Hmmmmmmmmm, well, after reading through all ur text here, we see u still don't say what's criterion for this mythical "good-evil," but u seem to insist nonetheless that it's "good" and/or virtuous to believe in, or defend such "good-evil" notion or imagination, whatever it might be. Isn't this classic question-begging?

And think about this: what's a good dog?--a nice, good doggie-dog is one that's well-trained and obedient, right?--it does just what we want and expect, and we're sooooooo happy. And a bad dog is one not obedient and which fails to act in accord w. our wishes, right?--it's so doggone disappointing then. Doesn't same go for humans? When I was small, I remember how desperate I felt to be thought of as "good," ho ho ho ho.

And don't doubt there are practical, serious considerations for our subject-matter here, including the purpose of dear Christianity--combatting satanism which is extreme subjectivism.

Seems to me u rather fail for the practical consideration of this satanic problem--what's the source and motivation?--don't we see it most actively in our faces?--ever hrd of George Soros? Have u hrd of the "pizza-gate" child-trafficking of the Podesta bros.?--Agenda-21 genocide and "de-population"? Do u think Trump is in serious danger of assassination at hands of these absolutely psychopathic satanists?

And doesn't reason and rationality have to do w. REALITY? So I think I've faced, handled, and answered the pertinent issues in most practical manner, w. sufficient and not excessive ref. to abstractness--which abstractness, I submit, u rather seem to indulge in as something of an escape fm our issue, the reality, use, and application of "good-evil" myth, fallacy, and heresy. But of course, correct me if I'm wrong--give a clear, demonstrable criterion for such "good-evil" if u can, which no one in all history has ever done.

Thus the "freedom" of human will seems quite limited to resolution of emotions w. events of reality and then w. emotions of other humans who are our neighbors, family, and fellow-citizens. Thus we try to predict and calculate events and manage emotions based upon those predictions of ours. Thus there's successful management and incompetent management of such emotions, we valuing success ("pleasure") and seeking to avoid the bad management ("pain")--my philosophy is oriented towards such proper management and understanding.

Virtuous (or "good," but only in metaphoric sense) management then requires acknowledging the dis-utility (as "Austrian" economists would put it) of the childish "good-evil," despite its devilish attractions, esp. for political and psychologic manipulations. "Good-evil" is merely an attractive but dangerous metaphor--dangerous as it too easily is taken too seriously and then mis-used.

And honesty of Christian Holy Spirit requires admitting the truth regarding non-existence of any "good-evil"--it's mere metaphor at best w. no actual referent in reality, even if a lot of childish people want to insist upon it. And when such childish, hubristic people become too over-populated bad things happen as we see presently in "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler, imminent removal of US Dollar as world reserve currency, hyper-inflation, etc.

Sunday, November 20, 2016

"Good-evil" is mere fiction to control children, "ethical" just means logic btwn means, ends....


Below-copied by ap first published at comments,
https://bellofchurch.blogspot.com/20...l#comment-form

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What's "Good" Would Depend Upon What's Real, Hence Objective
(Apollonian, 20 Nov 16)

Good thing there are so many blogs on Socrates/Plato. "Socrates believed that nobody willingly chooses to do wrong[1]." http://www.socraticmethod.net/socrat...human_evil.htm

And the footnote [1] is: "[1] Read Plato’s Gorgias." So the quote evidently comes fm Platonic "Gorgias" Dialogue.

So to make sense of any of this about sin, we must realize that as reality must be objective (otherwise anything goes, in subjectivism), it's determined according to strict cause-effect (God's will). So there's no "good-evil," no perfectly "free" human will. "Sin" makes no sense except as dis-obedience, this applied to children to keeping them obedient, thus safe.

And "ethics" is simply logic btwn ends and means.

But since most people have difficulty w. logic and reason, they seek to follow leadership in the parental manner; this was especially true in olden days of yore.

So politically, it's most expedient and wise to follow the law, and to seem to people generally to being one who follows the law. And strictly speaking, ethics is actually an application of logic to choice (or observance) of means in respect to ends.

Regarding Christianity, remember it's necessary to cite a relevant passage fm Christ/Gospels who/which basically tells us to treat others as we'd want to be treated. It's wisest and best to keep everyone else thinking and knowing, much as possible, that we're reasonably looking out for their welfare as we want them to see to ours, etc.

Regarding the statement, fm above, "[o]ur will is capable of transcending our desires...," this doesn't really make sense: will is desire, by definition. And ultimately we must do as we will, it being impossible, indeed inhuman, not to so follow our will/desire.

Simplest precept to remember is the necessarily objective reality (subjectivism is absurd) is DETERMINED (absolute cause-effect); there's no "good-evil," no perfectly "free" human will, such absolute freedom reserved only for God.

Occam's razor is best ethics; simplest, easiest is best; objectivity = determinism. Sin is just dis-obedience which isn't necessarily wrong; it's mere tool by which to control children/most people.

Genius, true greatness, sublime perfection of New Test. cannot be surpassed, denied....


Below-copied essay by ap first published at comments, https://bellofchurch.blogspot.com/20...pposed-to.html

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Genius, Perfection Of New Test.
(Apollonian, 20 Nov 16)

Note one great thing, among any others, about New Test. is it addresses an extremely significant philosophic/metaphysical problem which had been exploited by the Pharisees and their "Oral Tradition" "midrash"--SUBJECTIVISM, leading to satanism, noted by Christ, esp. at Gosp. JOHN 8:44 and other places too, as Gosp. MARK ch. 7, and MATT ch. 15.

Thus Christ so much and definitively affirms Aristotle and the objective reality in the Old Test. terms the Judean (NOT just "Jew") people, hence later the gentiles too, could understand. Thus we literally have philosophy--but taught in terms of literary story lines and DIALECTIC, using the Pharisees for the satanic anti-thesis.

Culmination of the New Test. drama is the triumph of Easter resurrection of truth (= Christ) WHICH CANNOT BE KILLED, no matter the satanic machinations of even the Pharisees, foremost satanists and liars. For the objective reality exists, PERIOD (necessary metaphysical assumption), such is the fundamental Christian truth and lesson, etc.

It's thus so sad and tragic this Christian lesson for the objective reality is so pathetically and miserably lost for all the so-called "Christians" of this day.

And then, given this (Aristotelian) metaphysical foundation, all ethics (and politics) follows which Christ demonstrates.

For note historically, there's serious implications for the great Christian vs. satanist/Pharisaic dialectic. For truly as humans are sinners, human life is war, as affirmed by Homer, Heraclitus ("War is general, and justice is strife...") Plato, and then later Machiavelli, Hobbes, Darwin, Spencer, Nietzsche, et al.

And Pharisees had brilliantly defined and developed a great war-God who truly served the Pharisaic purposes--which Christ rightly and brilliantly criticized and exposed, by means of reason and Holy Spirit. Life isn't all warfare.

Thus Christ/Christianity was/is great affirmation of Greek-rationalist (hence objective) principle against the Pharisaic-subjectivist, which extreme subjectivism inevitably degenerates into purest satanism, Pharisees and Jews being masters as their satanism is most sublimely practical, gentile satanists being too individualist, nihilist, too susceptible to degeneration to outright psychosis, dis-organization and dis-integration. Jews are collectivist and highly organized, always emerging to rulership and overall mastery--as we see today, Jews the masters of that foremost central-banking criminal enterprise, legalized counterfeiting, the pinnacle operation of organized crime which rules everything else.

Such then is the power of Christian literature and aesthetic, vehicle of the philosophy and lesson thereof. satanists thus attack the literary vehicle in hope of under-cutting the basic, necessarily preceding philosophy. And discussion of the literature is actually sublime, fitting, and convenient prelude and setting to the actual philosophy which is necessarily purpose of the literature. For New Test. literature was dialectic completion/perfection of Old Test., and now only question is WHAT was basic subject-matter of that dialectic which preceded even New Test.

When then we look at the other attempts at dialectic, the (Babylonian) Talmud and the Muslim Koran, we see the great virtue, integrity, and perfection of New Test. Amen.