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Tuesday, November 11, 2014

The link btwn "imagining" and reality--how, for example, do we know we're not "imagining" our realities?--answer: it's necessary assumption, "metaphysics" of objectivity (Aristotle)....

Below-copied by ap first published at comments,

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Nature Of Reality: Objective Or Subjective?
(Apollonian, 11 Nov 14)

WHAT?--Ho ho ho ho ho.  Soooooooooooooooooooooo what are u attempting to trying to endeavoring to saying here?--anything?  Ho ho ho ho ho ho  (be sure to ck above link).

But let's go to ur "real example," above--u ADMIT there was no way to confirm what u were "imagining," etc., for purposes of the same old "secrecy."  BUT then u tell us that sources on the ground verified ur imaginings, the other side picked-up on being spotted and moved, etc.  U told us one group didn't know what the other was doing, but yet ur efforts were confirmed, regardless, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

So, in sum, what u're saying is that by means of imagination, u imagined there was "something" which was then confirmed--great work, ho ho ho ho ho--how unusual is this, really?  And question is, as always, what's it really worth, all this glorified imagination?  Ho ho ho ho ho

And what else did u say?--that imagining things intensively enough, u imagined it was all real?  Ho ho ho ho--is that really so unusual?--aren't there lots of people throughout hist. who've done the same?--they just used drugs and other less expensive, less elaborate methods, right?

So what did u accomplish?--pretending that pretending can make pretending seem real?  Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho--lots of people have done that already, all throughout hist., right?

All I'd conclude fm ur account is that we in the West sure had a lot of money to be wasted upon ridiculous "endeavors," "experiments," etc.--and that money sure was wasted--I hope we had lots of fun as we continue to descending into endless recession, starvation coming soon after imminent bankruptcy whence we'll all be taking orders fm Chinese people, evidently.

Remember that old philosophic controversy regarding the nature of reality--is it all just in our heads?--according to Plato, greatest of the subjectivists, and then carried on fm that time by all the moralists (Pharisaists) pretending and insisting upon "good-evil," the latest of note being Immanuel Kant (late 18th, early 19th cent).

For it's this "good-evil" delusion (subjectivism) that keeps people most animated, for real, practical purposes, even to this day.  And the fraud of central-banking, like the US Federal Reserve Bank, Bank of England, and ECB, IMF, etc., ARE ALL BASED UPON THIS FICTION AND WISHFUL THINKING, glorified as "imagination," never doubt.

The fictional "terrorists" and "al Qaeda" are imaginary products and make-shifts which keep the neo-cons and Jews in power, mass-murdering poor people of other lands, soon the citizens of our own Western countries too.

And don't doubt people in our own countries have already had civil rights taken, a fascist police-state put in place, the people being slow-killed by means of poison vaccines, foods, and food-additives, and many other things too (depleted uranium, and electronic wave damage fm cell-phones, etc.).

Alternative to subjectivism is the Aristotelian objective reality confirmed by means of sense-perception, BUT the problem is there's no "good-evil" (as everything then is in accord w. cause-effect, there being no perfectly "free" will to manipulate reality) by which to psych the children, "good" being obedience, "bad" being non-obedience, and too many people don't like it--they'd rather be deluded, pretending they're "good" (Pharisaism)--it's how the Jew rule, and they're not going to give it up.

------------------------Below is response to ap's above by "flyingTiger"----------------

 November 11, 2014 at 7:49 pm  
Yes, it was basically the point that something that could have been entirely “pretend” correlated closely with reality.

So often there seems to be this anticipation of things- imagination first, then what is called reality. Makes me wonder.

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First Premises Must Necessarily Be Assumptions--"METAPHYSICS"
(Apollonian, 11 Nov 14)

Well tiger, that's the entire pt. to that part of philosophy called "metaphysics" (first philosophy, according to Aristotle), the very first, most basic premises--which premise(s) have to be assumption, not capable of proof--since, of course, they're first premise(s) upon which any/all subsequent conclusions are based.

And that first, basic issue is nature of reality--objective or subjective ("I think therefore I am")--this has to be assumption as it can't be PROVEN (according to some prior premise), but which premise everything else in ur chain of logic depends upon.

Subjectivism is absurd--as anything goes if it were true, and nothing would be false--we'd be God.
The other pt. I was wanting to make and emphasize is that ur so-called "project" for "imagining" was only reported to be "confirmed," don't forget--and of course u know they'd tell u that in order to make sure all the money wasted on the project was justified.  How otherwise would/could u "KNOW" ur imaginings were verified?--U DON'T KNOW (for urself)--u were only told that by obviously interested party w. long record of lying and deceit.

First premises of philosophy are necessarily ASSUMPTIONS ("metaphysics"), fm which all the rest of "reasoning" is based.  Thus we ASSUME there's objective reality (subjectivism being absurd), and fm there we have all the rest of our logic and science and everything we consider that we "KNOW."

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