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Did Jesus Exist?--Does It Matter?
(Apollonian, 26 Dec 14)
Fact remains Christ cannot be proven to have existed, PERIOD. But is Christianity worth-while?--yes, of course, I say--why?--because it's magnificent aesthetic (literature) and most excellent (implicit) Greek-oriented philosophy endorsing and affirming Aristotelian objectivity against Platonic subjectivism. Esp. in Gosp. JOHN Christ affirmed TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH above all/any other ideals, principles, premises, as foremost virtue, ONLY way to Godly happiness (14:6).
And only way to have truth is for necessary objective reality as criterion. Enemies of Christ rejected (implicitly) Aristotle and objectivity as way of buttressing their LIES (8:44), and further, they decided to kill Christ (= truth founded in objective reality). But truth cannot be killed and RESURRECTS.
Saddest, most tragic thing is dear Christianity is called "faith," for "faith," properly understood for Christianity only means LOYALTY--not not not not not mere "belief"--because "belief" IS CHEAP, and all the "beleeeeeeeeeeeeevin'" in the world doesn't make anything true, as if "beleeeeeeeeevin'" makes one God who suddenly creates reality. And cheap "beleeeeeeeevin" doesn't make God one's special buddy, as so many fools pretend.
One must simply be LOYAL to what one KNOWS, not merely "beleeeeeeeeeeevs." Loyalty then to what is KNOWABLE and TRUE makes for best basis--HONESTY--of getting along w. fellow humans. And that's Holy Spirit co-equal w. other two Persons: reason, honesty, and integrity, one's reason pervading throughout the spirit, conscious and subconscious--which renders TRUTH (= Christ).
Absolute worst thing would be if people thought putrid, cheap mysticism will suffice for salvation, for subjectivism and mysticism is foundation of that HUBRIS by which some people pretend to satanism--being God, or being the masters of God, they imagining they can ENSLAVE God, or beguile God (as by means of "beleeeeeeeeevin'"), God then being their attack-dog who kills their enemies for them.
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Nan apollonian • 31 minutes ago
Do your research. Christ is referenced in contemporary writings of civil authorities and by historians in the first century. He existed. He still exists.
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Ap replied:
U do ur research--and note proper "research" requires citations which u don't give. There's no proof for Christ, figure of New Test. "Writings" u refer to were NOT exactly "contemporary": Josephus came later, and Tacitus almost a hundred yrs later. Get a clue. Note that LYING in order to prove a pt. is most un-Christian thing u could possibly do.
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Nan apollonian • 28 minutes ago
Because you don't believe, you don't accept the proof that exists. Only the Holy Spirit can help you.
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Ap replied:
U just admit value of ur tendentious (if not outright lying) "research"--it's all based on cheap wishful thinking which u try to dignifying as "belief." TRUTH (= Christ) DOESN'T NEED "BELIEF"--u either know or don't--get a clue. Urs is a satanic understanding of the true Christianity--which OPPOSES satan. Only Holy Spirit (which u seem to know nothing about) can help u.
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Nan apollonian • 7 minutes ago
Nor is "get a clue" an argument. You simply can't use text speak in a combox and ask for scholarly research. First, it's a combox, not a scholarly journal; second, you're insulting my beliefs, as well as those held by Christians these last 2000 years. On the date which we celebrate the Birth of the Messiah, no less.
To describe ones beliefs that aren't about satanic as satanic is reprehensible. I will pray for your immortal soul.
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Ap replied:
Like I say, God is NOT impressed by ur childish wishful thinking which u call "beliefs"--TRUTH doesn't need "belief." "Getting clue" is similar to saying THINK, using ur mind which God gave u. Truth doesn't need cheap "believing," and God is not impressed, I'm sure. U make urself into God if u say ur "believing" makes anything true--and it insults the meaning of truth to pretend u're doing God a favor by "believing." U need to pray for YOUR soul, kiddo.
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