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Thursday, September 9, 2010

Specific nature and essence of simple Christian message is important, never doubt--and history confirms and reflects tellingly

Christian-Jew Dialectic Is CYCLIC In Effect, Rational Objectivity Vs. Subjective, Mystic; Determinist Honesty Vs. "Free" Will Heresy
(Apollonian, 9 Sep 10)

Yeah right, "Fugasnaya": there I went and actually detailed the specific Christian dialectic for u w. quotes--AND U TOTALLY IGNORE IT while keeping with and even repeating ur absurdities and false-hoods. See below-copied fm U're a genius.

And no one asked u for a fully detailed expo--just basic, simple pt-ing to relevant principle(s) which u didn't do simply because u're obviously incompetent; that's all. So u're just a weakling who whines, who hasn't really made a serious effort to understand and correct the actual problem--this is the truth which u want to hide behind ur excuses.

What's present problem?--pretty simple: Jews, those most brilliant and highly organized criminals and frauds, have simply erected a most sublime COUNTERFEITING scam (US Federal Reserve Bank [Fed]--see for expo/ref.) by which now they literally own everything and practically everyone. I could go on for more details, but such presently will suffice for simplest brief analysis.

Regarding original Christianity and "Church"--get this straight: original Church was a militarily-oriented office of victorious army of St. Constantine the Great which over-saw the morale and psychologic orientation of the troops and soldiers, this in view of the Jew-affected propaganda of Constantine's many enemies, like the rival emperors, Maxentius and Licinius.

Later there was the Jew-infested Zoroastrian Persian empire to contend with. So the original Church was a genuine magnificent institution. But such tremendous success leads to corruption as the church lost its edge and soon enough took on the same old MYSTIFICATION of the preceding Jews, esp. in the way of mystic "faith," the real, proper Christian "faith" meaning only LOYALTY.

Still, note original Christian church was brilliantly successful for the ONLY culture-wide Jew-Expulsion in all history of humankind, and this Jew-Expulsion continued in effect for hundreds and hundreds of years in both east and western portions of old Roman imperial territories.

And the Trinity was definitive Christian and Western REPUDIATION of the old Judaic god-head--Christ is the new Christian God, second person of the Trinity. As St. Athanasius replied to the heretic Arius, so the Trinity makes no sense to u?--so what?--God doesn't have to make sense to humans, his creations. So u don't understand all aspects of God?--too damn bad, sucker.

Finally, "fugasnaya," don't forget reality is totally DETERMINED (no perfectly "free" human will), hence history is CYCLIC in accord w. "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler. So it's only a matter of time and course that church--and everything else too--will degenerate as we see it has so miserably of late, but it doesn't mean humanity cannot recover in great part--in same way St. Constantine was able to revive Roman empire of the time.

CONCLUSION: The great "paradigm change" we need presently is to remind folks there's no perfectly "free" human will. For that's how Jews and their "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see and for expo/ref.) cohorts inveigle present masses of suckers by means of "good-evil" they put over on folks starting when they're young and so impressionable. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

----------------above by Ap in response to below-copied----------------

Today, 04:16 PM

Sic Semper Tyrannis

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Originally Posted by apollonian
""Fugasnaya," excuse me, but u're full of it, regarding Christianity at least, and probably Islam too, though I'm no expert there. Besides, don't u even understand enough of basic scholarship and respect for ur readers that u provide some references in support for ur statements and absurd declarations?"
I shouldn't need to provide an adult white person with evidence of the corruption of the Church from early on. The nature of the Roman Catholic Church has been a hot topic of discussion on this forum and I don't think I need to trot all of that information out for this post. Needless to say I think most here are of the opinion that the Pope belongs on the end of a rope and the Catholic Church was probably founded by heretics who wanted to create a form of Talmudism on the ruins of a pagan religion to enforce social control over Europeans. The use of mainstream Christianity as a tool for social control and manipulation of minds was so strong that it persisted through an attempted reformation of Christian attitudes and now permeates every branch of socially acceptable Christianity.
Christianity prior to the reformation was such a corrupt joke that Islam came into being fully formed from the mind of Mohammed, because Christianity was simply not marketable at that time to those who had not been influenced by pagan Rome. They knew all about it and liked some of it, but they could clearly see the Roman influence, something Arabs did not identify with. Islam promotes many of the same basic values as Christianity, with Jesus as a prophet instead of messiah and while strictly promoting the oneness of God, in contrast to the concept of the trinity which Muslims view as ridiculous.
Jesus warned against false teachers, taught in parables and clearly stated that he had not come to change one letter of the law of the Israelites. Christianity as it is practiced by most of its so-called adherents today has little to do with the teachings of Jesus and everything to do with being a slave. Islam means submission and it is implied that Muslims submit to God and God alone. Christians seem to submit to everyone, claiming this is what Jesus wanted. I disagree. I feel that mainstream Christianity is a joke and always has been. True Christianity has never, ever been practiced on anything like the same scale as Churchianity and the more you say Appollonian, the more I get the feeling you are interested in promoting Churchianity rather than Christianity, for whatever reason.

---------------above was in response to below by Ap---------------

Note Christianity Presents Most Careful, Specific Dialectic In Opposition To Pharisaic Subjectivism
(Apollonian, 9 Sep 10)

"Fugasnaya," excuse me, but u're full of it, regarding Christianity at least, and probably Islam too, though I'm no expert there. See below-copied fm "fugasnaya." Besides, don't u even understand enough of basic scholarship and respect for ur readers that u provide some references in support for ur statements and absurd declarations?

If u say something dumb like, "The foundations of mainstream Christianity were rotten from the beginning...," don't u think u ought to say something by way of why and how?

All u do is retail and repeat the usual platitudes of ignorance. I know for Christianity, Christ's purpose was to affirm and defend the existence of TRUTH, hence the OBJECTIVE, Aristotelian reality (as in Gosp. JOHN 14:6, 8:32, and 18:37-8), as something real and verifiable, this against Judaic subjectivism, lies, and conspiracy.

Christ then added other bits of advice in way of ethical guidance.

But perhaps most of all, Christianity is established as definitive ANTI-THESIS, in classic Hegelian style, to the Pharisaist thorough-going subjectivism, mysticism, and worship of hubris and lies whence Jews, defined as followers of Pharisees (thus Talmud--see and for best Talmudic expo) make themselves God.

The pt. then is Christianity is a carefully constructed dialectic reply and refutation to the slightly preceding Pharisaism which had corrupted and traduced Mosaic law of Old Testament (OT).

Unfortunately, I'm not able to understand Islam in terms of the exact dialectic it tried to present; so far, all I seem to discern is it tries to simplify the preceding dialectic, but is regarded by Christians as hereticalist throw-back to the one-God of Judaism, similar to Arianist heresy of Christians.

And it looks as if the "Christians" involved in this Koran-burning are the "evangelical" sort of Jew dupes and paid suck-alongs known as "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see and for expo/ref.) hereticalists who say Christ was Jew (hence Talmudist) and support enemy terror-state of Israel which did 9-11, etc.

So every time I look and spot out these supposed demonstrations of Christian virtue, I stop and think how it's all best and most properly aimed at Jew liars, murderers, destroyers, and usurpers who are the real enemies of truth and God.

CONCLUSION: Thus "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler, continues its inexorable course downwards. For it's actually great opportunity for real Christians to speak anti-semitic truth to "Christian"-styled suckers for Jew manipulators and instigators. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

-----------------above by Ap in response to below-copied------------------

Today, 02:08 PM

Sic Semper Tyrannis

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They've really stepped up the whole Pro/Anti-Islam thing over the last week or two, with Angelina donning the hijab in Pakistan and the NWO NYC Mosque Imam on Larry King among many other things, including this 'Koran burning' which has now been denounced by both Hillary Clinton and Generalissimo Petraeus.
The objective is to exploit ignorance of this fundamental other that is 'the mooslim.' Muslims might as well be space aliens compared to the average white person today, especially in America. Ironically the central difference between the remains of Christendom and contemporary Islam is that Islam is taken seriously by its adherents and there are consequences for the violation of religious law, often through direct action failing legal means. The basic precepts of Islam, aside from a handful of eccentricities are not that different from Christianity.
By exploiting western ignorance of what Islam is the Jews aim to drive a further wedge between people of European stock and the faith of their ancestors. Christianity and Islam both appeal to the same desire among common people for social justice, both religions call for sacrifice. The foundations of mainstream Christianity were rotten from the beginning (which is part of the reason Islam came to be) and Christians have been repeatedly manipulated through dialectic means. It is more difficult to manipulate Muslims because of the highly regimented methodology of their religion, so the strategy is to pit the two main factions of Goy against each other, destroying those with faith and strengthening the trend toward godlessness.
Those Christians who understand that 'two minutes of hate' against Islam every day is just the flip of a page away from applying a similar standard to Christians are and will continue to be portrayed as weak while Zionists fan the flames under the auspices of their 'Christianity.' Judaism is a cult, so pitting the various world faiths against each other is in their best interests. What's so amazing is that more westerners have not sought education regarding Islam. It seems that ignorance really must feel like bliss, but there's no doubt the bread and circuses of Capital enable this state of affairs.

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