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Tuesday, September 22, 2015

Revealing dialectic w. academic hack demonstrating how satanic culture arises, prevails....

Below-copied dialectic by ap first published at comments,

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Fetzer Demonstrates Inability, Un-Willingness For Induction For Consp. Theory
(Apollonian, 22 Sep 15)

Fetzer: u continue to obfuscate, wiggling and squirming (see below-copied), by means of nonsense, babble, and assertion without substantiation. U fail for induction for necessary consp. theory entailing the genuine "outrageous" nature of 9/11 consp. and event, this specifically concerning afore-mentioned satanism (extreme subjectivism).

And I only ever invoke simple Christian philosophy, Christ = TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6), implying the necessary objective basis for such truth, by which Christianity always opposed this satanism now rampant, ascendant, and dominant in present culture, ultimately behind 9/11 disaster.

So Fetzer, quit ur babbling and nonsense by which u obfuscate this serious satanist issue for which u're just no help, are u?--and it's because u push the very subjectivism which is so much at issue, foundation of satanism, isn't it?--by which u push ur mystic moralism/Pharisaism, right?

----------------------above by ap in response to below-copied-----------------

Jim Fetzer September 22, 2015 at 6:13 AM

If any comment could more completely discredit its author, this one takes the cake! There are multiple alternative theories of morality, including:

TRADITIONAL THEORIES: Emotivism, Family Values, Religious-based ethics, and cultural relativism;

PHILOSOPHICAL THEORIES: Ethical Egoism, Limited Utilitarianism, Classic Utilitarianism, and Deontological Moral Theory.

I rather doubt that apsterian could even define them, much less figure how what criteria would be appropriate for determining which might be the most rationally defensible on objective criteria.

He is a Christian zealot, who is morally on a par with Muslim zealots, Mormon zealots, Jewish zealots and other representatives of other religious who are unable to explain (on non-question begging grounds) why their brand of zealotry should be preferable to any other.

He offers a stellar example of why understanding the nature of morality and the most rationally defensible conception of right vs. wrong cannot be determined on the basis of articles of faith, which are beliefs that are accepted independent of evidence and held to be true no matter what.

And it is characteristic of zealots that those who impose rational standards and are unwilling to accept beliefs for which they have no evidence are accused of obfuscation, when the shoe is on the other foot. This is a nice case of projection.

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Fetzer's Incompetent Grasp For Theory, Cultural Context Of 9/11 Outrage
(Apollonian, 22 Sep 15)

Fetzer: let me now briefly take-up ur challenge given at above, Sept. 22, at 6:13 AM, entailing--

"TRADITIONAL THEORIES: Emotivism, Family Values, Religious-based ethics, and cultural relativism;

"PHILOSOPHICAL THEORIES: Ethical Egoism, Limited Utilitarianism, Classic Utilitarianism, and Deontological Moral Theory."


For note the problem is the present raging, rampant, dominant cultural SATANISM (extreme subjectivism) which has been noted by many observers in "hip-hop" music and law, to name just a couple of afflicted areas. For it's within this general satanist culture that 9/11 occurred and is now submerged for confusion and distraction.

My pt. is Christian culture, founded on worship of TRUTH (= Christ, Gosp. JOHN 14:6) necessarily implies the objective reality which so well opposed and defeated this satanism now dominant, raging, and rampant.

Problem then w. ur pretended ethical knowledge is it seems to endorse a range of disparate and even conflicting theories, as u give above, u not having the courage to champion a coherent system of ur own knowledge.

Pt. then is dear Christian PHILOSOPHY (embedded within the allegoric New Test. literature) follows the implicit objectivity, which objectivity then necessarily conflicts w. subjectivist, arbitrary, and mystic altruism of Benthamite utilitarianism, of whatever flavor, and the Kantian "deontology."

And it's the very muddled and compromised sort of "philosophy" as urs, Fetzer, gov.-subsidized and -sponsored, that has rationalized and ushered-in the present, dominant cultural satanism which gives context and cover then for the "outrageous" 9/11 consp. and disaster.

And that's why u, Fetzer, are incapable of providing theoretic context for the "outrageous" 9/11 consp. and disaster, as u champion the very pretext of satanic extreme subjectivism by means of ur own subjectivism, basis of ur incompetent and grossly compromised grasp of ethics as we see. Q.E.D.

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Z-Boy September 22, 2015 at 8:03 PM

apsterian, aside from the abbreviated prose your point is made, but perhaps too cruel. Professor Fetzer in his younger days could very well have flipped you in debate and most probably could today given the time. Professor Fetzer although retired still uses his talent to inform any who will listen. If he is mistaken at times point it out, but we should respect him for his truths which by far outweigh his mistakes.

I feel that I was overly vindictive in my previous posts to you Professor Fetzer. The thing is, the truth of 9/11 is so important that any infighting amongst genuine truthers must be put aside. I'm sure that Rebekah has made some mistakes, how could one not make a misstep in the voluminous on going investigation? Great credit must be given to this heroic lady. So please, rethink your position and put your back into promoting her books for what they are, i.e., a ground breaking exposure of the official lie of 9/11. The truth and the undeniable facts of 9/11 being an inside job from a woman whose feet were on the ground and in the air on 9/11. A woman whose 30+ years of commercial airline hands on experience combined with what must be called divine inspiration in her diligence of acquiring overwhelming documented evidence and testimony to finally connect the dots of the truth of what actually occurred on 9/11.

Well, that's the way it is Professor and you must know it. So, now use your educated and talented words in place of mine to promote "Rebekah Roth's" work and let your work along with hers, work to perhaps, set us free. We are counting you both. The entire world awaits.

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Fetzer Has Failed Miserably--Get A Clue
(Apollonian, 22 Sep 15)

"[F]lipped you in debate"?--what's that supposed to mean? And we have a debate going right now, and we see how Fetzer does--evading and mis-representing the issues as presented--and continuing to FAIL.

What's ur problem?--don't u see I bring up simple concept, SATANISM (extreme subjectivism), well-noted and -verified by other observers, which has so horrifically taken-over our culture? And isn't it logical to pt. out Fetzer's muddled, incompetent "philosophy" for his failure of inductive logic and theorizing on this truly outrageous 9/11 conspiracy?

Isn't it true Christian culture has been overthrown in the stead of this gross, dread satanism now rampant, raging, and dominant?--has Fetzer adequately addressed this simple issue?

U shouldn't suck-up to Fetzer as u do, as it only encourages him for his continued evasions and obfuscation. For the root of this satanism is very much in Fetzer's own muddled and incompetent subjectivism for his moralism/Pharisaism as well as the general satanic overthrow of original leading Christianity which upheld TRUTH (= Christ, Gosp. JOHN 14:6), above all, and objectivity which had kept satanism in ck.

Fetzer's "truths" amount to mere quibbling and details, while his mistakes and failures are major and quite significant, failing grossly and horrendously to consider the general cultural satanist context for this "outrageous" 9/11 consp. and disaster, and it's BECAUSE he accepts the basic satanist subjectivist premise(s). Get a clue, for goodness sake.

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