Sublime Reason/Rationality Of Christ/Christianity
(Apollonian, 5 Mar 15)
Yes Paul, but note one outstanding thing about dear Christianity and why we (so many of us) love and revere it so much: it's so sublimely RATIONAL, affirming the rational, hence objective, reality--objectivity (fm Aristotle) being the necessary premise/assumption to all/any reason, logic, science.
For TRUTH, thematic to Gosp. JOHN (14:6, 8:32, and 18:37-8) could only exist by means of the objective (or God-created) reality, denied by the Pharisees who insist that only what they say, according to their "oral law," is "truth," their satanic Talmud being definitive, the interpretation ("midrash") of the Torah (first 5 Biblic books), Talmud taking precedence over the original Torah. See RevisionistReview.blogspot.com and Come-and-hear.com for definitive expo.
Obviously, it's irony to say the least, and/or "mystery," as to how 3 could possibly be same as one, and it begins w. Christ equating truth w. God, God being the summum bonum; hence the greatest happiness is truth. Holy Spirit then must connect in w. that equation, happiness being sublime and spiritual as well as truth itself, REASON being necessary part of the spirit, but along w. HONESTY too, as we all know "smart" people who are yet dis-honest.
Thus that sublime reason must pervade the entire spirit/consciousness of the human, in sublime integrity. Of course, reason is not easy, esp. for children, and for many it's just too much to grasp w. confidence--so they can take it upon the word of those they consider their leaders.
Hence the great thing about Christianity is it caused folks to contemplate God and Godliness, it now specifically entailing TRUTH, truth and honesty now not being mere optional appendages, but essential and necessary.
The Musselmen thought this Christianity was too complex and tried then to culling-back, denying the Godliness of Christ, hence TRUTH, insisting proper piety consisted simply of servile obedience ("submission") to Allah's commands, the issue of reason/rationality then becoming more problematic.
-----------------------above by ap was in response to Paul said:
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Of course, getting deleted like that indicates bad things--one will soon enough be banned. And I don't accept such treatment (just getting my stuff deleted without protest), and so when there was no word or note given for reason for deleted, I thought I'd draw her out and posted the following:
apollonian said:
what happened?–I thought I’d posted an entry for here–do I need to re-post?
--------------and here's what I got in response (my notes capped, bracketed):
Wendy Brydge said:
--------------and here's what I got in response (my notes capped, bracketed):
Wendy Brydge said:
Apollonian, have you ever read Acts 16:16-19?
“Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. This girl followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.” She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her. When the owners of the slave girl realized that their hope of making money was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace to face the authorities.”
Here we find the story of a girl who believed the gospel Paul preached. She also was quick to tell people that Paul was preaching the truth and the way to God. Her problem was that within her dwelt a demon (a false idea) that the thoughts of her mind were of God when they were not. She was using Paul as a means of glorifying her own ability to express her own thoughts and ideas. Isaiah 55:7-9 and John 5:39-40 tell us that the thoughts of men which do not line up 100% with what the Word of God says, are wicked thoughts and are not thoughts from God. [GOLLY GEE]
You did post an entry and no, there’s no need to re-post it. I removed it.
I welcome discussion on my blog, and I encourage participation. I’m tolerant of people’s opinions, whether they be in agreement with mine or against them. And I want everyone who visits my blog to feel welcome and free to post comments. But there needs to be a certain etiquette that’s observed and upheld here.
I don’t appreciate you using my blog as a platform for sharing your ideas. [TOUGH SHIT, SCUM] You’re not participating in the discussions, [MAYBE NOT THE WAY U WANT, MORON] you’re presuming to teach people your ideas rather than what the Word of God says, using my posts as your home base and your stepping stone. And that’s not acceptable. [HO HO HO] I will not let you hijack my blog. If you’re looking for a place to express yourself to the degree you do here, then it’s time for you to consider starting your own blog. [I DIDN'T BOTHER TELLING THE MORON I ALREADY GOT MY OWN BLOG.] I appreciate fellowship where there’s an exchange of ideas conducive to what the Scriptures tell us, [SCUMMY LIAR--MEANS "CONDUCIVE" TO WHAT SHE WANTS TO HEAR.] but I think it’s time that you understood what you’re doing wrong. [YEAH, PREACHING THE TRUTH AS I SEE IT.] We who preach the Gospel are not fortune-tellers. God bless. [NOTE THE PATRONIZING TONE.]
“Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. This girl followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.” She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her. When the owners of the slave girl realized that their hope of making money was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace to face the authorities.”
Here we find the story of a girl who believed the gospel Paul preached. She also was quick to tell people that Paul was preaching the truth and the way to God. Her problem was that within her dwelt a demon (a false idea) that the thoughts of her mind were of God when they were not. She was using Paul as a means of glorifying her own ability to express her own thoughts and ideas. Isaiah 55:7-9 and John 5:39-40 tell us that the thoughts of men which do not line up 100% with what the Word of God says, are wicked thoughts and are not thoughts from God. [GOLLY GEE]
You did post an entry and no, there’s no need to re-post it. I removed it.
I welcome discussion on my blog, and I encourage participation. I’m tolerant of people’s opinions, whether they be in agreement with mine or against them. And I want everyone who visits my blog to feel welcome and free to post comments. But there needs to be a certain etiquette that’s observed and upheld here.
I don’t appreciate you using my blog as a platform for sharing your ideas. [TOUGH SHIT, SCUM] You’re not participating in the discussions, [MAYBE NOT THE WAY U WANT, MORON] you’re presuming to teach people your ideas rather than what the Word of God says, using my posts as your home base and your stepping stone. And that’s not acceptable. [HO HO HO] I will not let you hijack my blog. If you’re looking for a place to express yourself to the degree you do here, then it’s time for you to consider starting your own blog. [I DIDN'T BOTHER TELLING THE MORON I ALREADY GOT MY OWN BLOG.] I appreciate fellowship where there’s an exchange of ideas conducive to what the Scriptures tell us, [SCUMMY LIAR--MEANS "CONDUCIVE" TO WHAT SHE WANTS TO HEAR.] but I think it’s time that you understood what you’re doing wrong. [YEAH, PREACHING THE TRUTH AS I SEE IT.] We who preach the Gospel are not fortune-tellers. God bless. [NOTE THE PATRONIZING TONE.]
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apollonian said:
Please Clarify Ur Objection(s)
(Apollonian, 6 Mar 15)
Wendy: u tell us, “I welcome discussion on my blog, and I encourage participation. I’m tolerant of people’s opinions, whether they be in agreement with mine or against them. And I want everyone who visits my blog to feel welcome and free to post comments.”
So then why did u remove my entry?–why didn’t or don’t u simply address the pt.s made in that entry?–isn’t that proper, rational behavior and dialectic? But then we see u introduce something about “etiquette”–which evidently has something to do w. ur last paragraph.
In that last paragraph u write, “I don’t appreciate you using my blog as a platform for sharing your
ideas”–which seems to totally contradict ur above sentences which I quoted.
THEN u assert I’m “not participating in the discussions”?–so what did I fail to discuss?–u don’t say, do u?–is this rational?
For example, if u say Trinity is “basic foundation of Christianity,” don’t u think u need a reference in New Test. and Gospel text?–where does Christ say he’s God the Son?–not that I deny Christ’s Godliness, but I do suggest u ought in reason to found ur assertions in actual text.
But then we come to ur assertion I’m “presuming to teach people [my] ideas rather than what the Word of God says”–BUT u don’t say how or why what I say is contrary to, or other than “Word of God.”
THEN u say, “…I think it’s time that you understood what you’re doing wrong”–which begs same question as I note just above–u don’t say how or why what I say is contrary to, or other than “Word of God.”
“[U]sing my posts as your home base and your stepping stone”–isn’t this simply the normal, rational manner of dialectic and discussion?–what’s the actual problem?
I suspect there’s something more specific, which maybe u’re not getting, which perhaps u don’t like so much–why don’t u tell us about it?–isn’t that rational manner of dialectic/discussion?
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apollonian said:
What Is Actual “Foundation” Of Christianity?
(Apollonian, 8 Mar 15)
What I find must be considered fundamental is the New Test. (NT) text, for everything about Christianity must and does come fm that. NT is definitive. Though there’s no Trinity in the NT text, there are oblique ref.s in Gosp. JOHN to Christ being God–which elevates what he says above mere “prophet” status.
And remember what’s distinct and un-deniable for NT text is it tells us about Christ, Christ being TRUTH, as Gosp. JOHN 14:6. So TRUTH is God, the ONLY way to happiness (and truth is happiness).
Thus NT tells us a distinct if simple story, Christ expounding the Mosaic Law–AGAINST the Pharisees who were and are still foremost liars, Pharisees, along w. others, like Sadducees, imagining they can KILL TRUTH–but truth RESURRECTS, cannot be killed.
And did u see Netanyahu treating US Congress like a circus ring-master who’s tamed his obedient animals, the Congress people there jumping-up and down on cue, almost literally?–u know where they (the Congress people) get their money fm.
So the pt. is NT tells a distinct story, Christ preaching there’s such thing as TRUTH, which must be worshipped and loved–against the Pharisees who insist only truth is what THEY SAY (subjectivism). And note then the only way there’s “truth” is there being an objective reality, this reality providing the necessary premise/criterion for such truth–against Pharisaic liars, subjectivism being foundation of lies.
Another pt. I’d make is this Christian treatment of truth can and should be in way of regard for Christ’s “lambs,” our fellow humans–which tells me that Holy Spirit, hence HUMAN REASON, our only means of grasping truth, allows for this humane treatment of fellow humans.
Hence then Christ and truth are key to Trinity, and Holy Spirit must be understood accordingly, consistent w. truth, Holy Spirit then being reason, but also honesty, as we know reason by itself is often corrupted in narcissism, for example, reason and honesty pervading INTEGRALLY throughout the spirit, both for conscious and subconscious.
And truth cannot be killed, thus Netanyahu’s triumph over corrupt US Congress will not stand, the Palestinian people will be vindicated for their rightful ownership of the land stolen fm them by descendents of Pharisees. Such then is Christian truth understood in the abstract (theologically) and applied for present-day.
---------------------------above by ap in response to Veracious Poet said:
apollonian said:
What’s the story this time? Ho ho ho–u’re just incapable of making a rational argument, aren’t u? Get a clue, kiddo, U’RE NO CHRISTIAN if u can’t handle truth, and if u can’t handle reasoning about it in rational manner. U’re pathetic, my dear–u need to do some serious praying.
-----------------------above by ap was rejoined by below-copied gem--again, notes by me are capped, bracketed.------------------------
Wendy Brydge said:
Ah, there you are. I knew you’d come out once I called you on your lies. Where has all of your flattery gone? You, sir, have yourself a false idea. And I will not allow you to fill Tawia’s (or anyone else’s) head with your garbage teachings. The messages you’ve been spreading here on my blog are wrong. Continually answering other people’s comments as if this was YOUR blog is not acceptable. [HO HO HO HO]
You say truth is happiness and the Holy Spirit is reason. But our happiness and our reason have nothing to do with God, [WTF?] because man is not God. [TRULY BRILLIANT LOGIC--AND AN ELEPHANT IS NOT A RHINOCEROUS, EITHER.] In your summation, God is completely expelled from reality. [WTF?] You call yourself a Christian? Yet you would remove God and replace Him with man? [WTF?] No. That teaching is a lie and you will not spread it here. [WE SIMPLY GOT A PSYCHO HERE, FOLKS, AND IT AIN'T ME.]
You can’t even stay on topic. Netanyahu? You want to bring politics to my site? I’ve never written here about politics, and I don’t want to. This site is about the things that interest me and the God I serve. Politics has no place here.
You think you speak as an intellectual, but you have no place for God as a living being external to His creation. [WTF?] But His creation is NOT God. You don’t understand the Gospel of God, so how can you understand the Trinity or anything else for that matter? You must first know God to love God. And if you know God and love God, you will acknowledge His appearing. [WHOOOOSH.]
You say that everything comes from the New Testament, but everything comes from the OLD Testament. The New Testament is simply the Old Testament explained, [I ACTUALLY DID INDICATE THIS.] fulfilling the revelation of TRUTH. [RIGHT.] You’ve got an extreme prejudice against the OT, which has instilled in you a dire hatred of a people, be they Jew or Gentile. Anyone who supports the OT in your mind is to be hated, or is evil, and that’s simply not true. The OT expounds upon the law, and the law is for lawbreakers. We still live in a world full of lawbreakers. But your hatred of the law would have the law removed, and lawbreakers set free to create chaos as they see fit. [HO HO HO HO] And all this in the absence of God, because in your world, you think man is God.
In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”
You’re preaching a gospel that is not the gospel found in scripture. You claim to be a Christian and you claim to preach the gospel, but what you preach is incorrect. Therefore I will tell you one last time – stop it. [HO HO HO HO HO] If you reply to anyone other than me on my blog, your comment will be deleted immediately. If you want to have a discussion, fine. But ask your questions (one at a time) and stop writing me a full-length blog post every time you comment. [HO HO HO HO]
You say truth is happiness and the Holy Spirit is reason. But our happiness and our reason have nothing to do with God, [WTF?] because man is not God. [TRULY BRILLIANT LOGIC--AND AN ELEPHANT IS NOT A RHINOCEROUS, EITHER.] In your summation, God is completely expelled from reality. [WTF?] You call yourself a Christian? Yet you would remove God and replace Him with man? [WTF?] No. That teaching is a lie and you will not spread it here. [WE SIMPLY GOT A PSYCHO HERE, FOLKS, AND IT AIN'T ME.]
You can’t even stay on topic. Netanyahu? You want to bring politics to my site? I’ve never written here about politics, and I don’t want to. This site is about the things that interest me and the God I serve. Politics has no place here.
You think you speak as an intellectual, but you have no place for God as a living being external to His creation. [WTF?] But His creation is NOT God. You don’t understand the Gospel of God, so how can you understand the Trinity or anything else for that matter? You must first know God to love God. And if you know God and love God, you will acknowledge His appearing. [WHOOOOSH.]
You say that everything comes from the New Testament, but everything comes from the OLD Testament. The New Testament is simply the Old Testament explained, [I ACTUALLY DID INDICATE THIS.] fulfilling the revelation of TRUTH. [RIGHT.] You’ve got an extreme prejudice against the OT, which has instilled in you a dire hatred of a people, be they Jew or Gentile. Anyone who supports the OT in your mind is to be hated, or is evil, and that’s simply not true. The OT expounds upon the law, and the law is for lawbreakers. We still live in a world full of lawbreakers. But your hatred of the law would have the law removed, and lawbreakers set free to create chaos as they see fit. [HO HO HO HO] And all this in the absence of God, because in your world, you think man is God.
In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”
You’re preaching a gospel that is not the gospel found in scripture. You claim to be a Christian and you claim to preach the gospel, but what you preach is incorrect. Therefore I will tell you one last time – stop it. [HO HO HO HO HO] If you reply to anyone other than me on my blog, your comment will be deleted immediately. If you want to have a discussion, fine. But ask your questions (one at a time) and stop writing me a full-length blog post every time you comment. [HO HO HO HO]
----------------------------so now I decided to give the little shit a good broadside, short and sweet, ho ho ho ho--I knew I'd probably get banned after this------------------------
apollonian said:
Wendy: when u mention Netanyahu, people don’t know what u’re talking about as u deleted my post which mentioned the subject, and by which post and mention they’d be able to judge for themselves whether and how it was appropriate. And u mis-represent, among many other things, what I say about Holy Spirit–it’s not ONLY reason, but which MUST entail it in order to grasp TRUTH (= Christ, Gosp. JOHN 14:6). I back-up what I say fm the text which is real and necessary foundation. And I say everything CHRISTIAN must necessarily come fm NT–that’s obvious, and folks can determine for themselves regardless ur assertions. Why do u imagine Veracious poet or anyone needs u to baby-sit them for info?–do u lack respect for people? Do u wonder what sort of man would marry someone like u who mis-represents (there’s a stronger word) in the way u do?
-------------and here then was her parting shot------------------------
Wendy Brydge said:
No one else needs to know what I’m talking about because I’m talking to YOU, and only YOU, Apollonian, in this comment. This discussion is between you and me — no one else is involved. I’m talking to YOU. [HO HO HO HO--SHE FORGOT SHE SAID I WAS OFF-TOPIC W. "NETANYAHU."]
No one else needs to judge whether what you said about politics was appropriate or not. This is my blog and *I* am telling you it’s a topic that’s not welcome here.
I have love and respect for God and His Word, [SELF-RIGHTEOUS LITTLE SCUM] and I will protect God’s sheep from wolves in sheep’s clothing like you. Whether you like it or not.
And what kind of man are you [SOMEONE WHO'S HONEST?] that you are incapable of having a discussion with me without insulting me? [HO HOHO HO HO HO--SHE'D JUST CALL IT "FLATTERY," HO HO HO] First you call me pathetic and then you insinuate that I’m not marriage material? [NOT TO ANYONE W. HALF A BRAIN, ANYWAY, HO HO HO HO.] I don’t entertain spammers or bullies who think they can manipulate and control other people.
I asked nicely, [SERIOUSLY, HO HO HO HO] and you wouldn’t listen — goodbye.
No one else needs to judge whether what you said about politics was appropriate or not. This is my blog and *I* am telling you it’s a topic that’s not welcome here.
I have love and respect for God and His Word, [SELF-RIGHTEOUS LITTLE SCUM] and I will protect God’s sheep from wolves in sheep’s clothing like you. Whether you like it or not.
And what kind of man are you [SOMEONE WHO'S HONEST?] that you are incapable of having a discussion with me without insulting me? [HO HOHO HO HO HO--SHE'D JUST CALL IT "FLATTERY," HO HO HO] First you call me pathetic and then you insinuate that I’m not marriage material? [NOT TO ANYONE W. HALF A BRAIN, ANYWAY, HO HO HO HO.] I don’t entertain spammers or bullies who think they can manipulate and control other people.
I asked nicely, [SERIOUSLY, HO HO HO HO] and you wouldn’t listen — goodbye.
------------------------I did enter a brief reply, which did not publish: "Truth hurts, eh?--but if shoe fits, u can wear it quite well enough." Ho ho ho ho ho
