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The Horrific "Noble Lie" Of "Good-Evil," "Free" Will, Leading Us To Heck
(Apollonian, 14 Feb 14)
Jack: regarding Spengler and determinist history--which u call "fatalist," note this is the very principle we're contending about--does TRUTH exist?--Christ says yes, in Gosp. JOHN 14:6, 8:32, and 18:37-8
Sure we have will, BUT it's not, couldn't be, a perfectly "free" God-like will--as this would be HUBRIS (madness), by definition.
And the large pt. is that dictators ALWAYS invoke "good" (hence "free" will) for excuse for their dictatorship. Thus it's "good" for society to have that Federal Reserve Bank COUNTERFEITING scam, which then allows oligarchs to print-up nearly ENDLESS funds by which to own and control practically everything and everyone.
My pt. then is if u observe this presently, utterly lawless and satanic society, u see Obongo, not a natural-born citizen, now committing criminal, un-Constitutional acts, now issuing monarchical-style edicts, by-passing Congress, his appointees committing gross crimes--and this is excused upon moralistic grounds, always.
U see then how "good" and expedience is such the excuse/pretext for violation/destruction of law, justice, reason, humanity, and civilization.
"Good of the public" is excuse for gross violation of prop. rights, due process, TSA groping, NSA ignoring of 4th amendment, etc., etc. Jack, we're being mass-murdered for good--LITERALLY--ck AGENDA-21 "population-reduction" genocide and ObongoCare death-panels--for the "good" of the earth/environment, etc.
Forced toxic vaccinations is for "good" of public health, etc.--all according to the "noble lie" (Plato and Leo Strauss) of "good-evil" founded upon fallacy of a perfectly "free" human will.
Humans are SINNERS, Jack, and we'll NEVER be able to change this sinfulness--NEVER--that's why we have LAW which is now being destroyed by subjectivism and lie, fallacy, delusion, and heresy (Pelagianism) of non-existent, childrens' "good," upon which is the road to heck paved.
Thus this "good" and false (perfectly) "free" will is the ESSENCE of cultural degeneracy in "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler. True Christian revival, resurgence, resuscitation--hence DETERMINISM ("fatalism," as u put it) would go far to arrest horrific momentum towards perdition we're presently embarked. Take care. A.
--------------------above by ap in response to below (also see above ref.)----------------------
I think the cyclic theory is a good one and like other theories can be used to explain a good part of the whole.
I would support the concept of an "emergency leader" being used in history by mentioning Plutarch's mentioning Solon of Athens handling their debt crisis as people-appointed wise-man/king for a while to get the mess done.
Debt was forgiven in the case of the Solon issue - and since it wasn't kept perfectly secret ended up being abused by those always present that do such things.
Constantine: I don't have a firm enough grasp on that particular era of history to say enough without reading more.
I can see your point about the Spengler theory - but it is fatalistic in the end - which I don't think presents a good analysis of things in the end because there is some free choice out there - otherwise there would be no point in saying we want people to do "good" things - if individual choice weren't a reality - there would not be consequences since initiating actions would no longer matter.
That said - would you agree that Spengler simply forewarns us of patterns we can use to better understand where we are in these simultaneous and overlapping cycles of history - that we can take action to turn it around before its too late - and by too late meaning there is no longer anyone left fighting for the Bill of Rights.
JR