Tim Fitzpatrick CANNOT handle simple dialectic regarding Alex Jones (InfoWars.com)--Tim says Jones is conscious, deliberate traitor--I say no, he's just dupe

Well, I got censored over at FitzInfo.wordpress.com at http://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2014/02/04/alternative-media-continues-to-ignore-alex-jones-stratfor-connection/#comments


This, just below, is what I was told:

Timothy Fitzpatrick

 /  February 11, 2014

You’re obviously not ready to give up the Kool Aid. His entertainment value, and that’s the only value he has, means too much to you. In a few years, when the novelty has worn off and you can’t stand his lying anymore (this happens to many people), feel free to come back with an open mind. Your defeatist attitude “Jews have already won” is something that can only have been reaffirmed to you by Jones and his hypnotism.

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Tim was talking about Alex Jones (InfoWars.com), and what's he (Tim) talking about regarding "kool aid"?  Tim wants to say Jones is conscious, deliberate TRAITOR, which I deny.  I'm willing to allow Jones may well be dupe--a willing dupe--but I deny he's deliberate, willing traitor, and for this, I'm told I've been drinking Jones' "kool-aid."


Alex can be funny--esp. when he goes into his mimicry of various characters--he's quite good, actually, but I made it clear I like Jones for his genuine info and ability to analyze things, for which he's talented, un-questionably.


Then Tim says I'm "defeatist" for being realistic and honest, pt-ing out Jews have won the cultural battle, ZOG being currently, entrenched, incumbent power.


Tim then deleted my entry, given just below, and he also deleted at least one other, earlier entry I'd made too.  Later I'll print-out the entire dialectic in comments section.  But for now, here's what I'd posted which got deleted:

Logic & Evidence Extremely Important At This Stage

(Apollonian, 11 Feb 14)

Well Tim, if Violet says she's Christian, it's possible, isn't it?--after all, she may genuinely think she's Christian, eh?  Then u say, "she's J. revolutionary, through and through"--this is typical of u--do u say this is "evidence" or mere assertion of urs?--this is an assertion, like a lot of ur statements.  Tim u gotta face it; u still MIGHT be right, BUT u haven't proven ur theses.  When u say Violet is a "Jewish revolutionary," this is a conclusion, for which u need the definitive minor premise, which stands by itself, which u don't have and don't present.

Jones a "terrorist"?--u say RASH things (which MIGHT be true, to be sure, maybe), and u imagine everyone else should think like u.  I don't blame u, but u should consider our pt. of view too.  U need the minor premise for ur proffered conclusion in many of ur statements.

I do read ur articles, and I do do my own research--maybe I'm just not smart as u, but u shouldn't hold that too much against me, for I try, don't doubt.  That's what must count most--people TRYING--regardless how successful.

I submit Jones is one of those, who is truly intelligent, but who fools himself--he makes sooooooooooo much moola fm those Jews, he WANTS to believe they're "good" Jews.  Lots of Jews believe they're good--they're experts at LYING, including lying to themselves, see?

Instead of telling us to read this and read that, and ck links--just tell us, straight-out--what's ur evidence--it ought to be pretty straight-forward and simple.

But Tim, u're evidently using an inductive -type of method, lots of little things and details and items, NONE of them conclusive in themselves, but added-up might very well mean something significant.  But if u have something that's conclusive, tell us--u don't do this.

And again and again, and yet again--u've done this at least 3 or 4 times now--u IGNORE my statement that Jews have won--we're now just trying to come-back.  And Jones is practically "only game in town" for patriot purposes--for lots and lots of people, Tim, which u should respect, they not being as smart as u--u don't consider this, do u?

But simply as military analyst, I guarantee it would be horrific mistake to try to remove Jones (if, as u say, he's such a devil)--he's MUCH TOOOOOOOOOOOO effective against the top, presently-ruling powers--he does a great job as I've noted, even though he doesn't come all the way out to name the Jews--he does EVERYTHING ELSE quite well, pointing out many telling and significant things about the regime, regardless that they're Jews--this gets people to thinking, and this thinking is good.

Like I say, u should face the reality: Jews have won, and u need to be most careful for ur logic and mode of proof and evidence; u're not as water-tight for proof and evidence as u insist--otherwise why would u be insisting as u do?  If u had real, sure-fire evidence, then we'd be on defense much more than we are for not going along w. u, eh?

"Noble lie" of "good-evil" is HUGE issue, stumbling-block for present cultural delusion and "Decline of the West"

Below essay by ap first published at comments, http://americansjourney.blogspot.com/2014/02/being-boethius.html#comment-form


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The Horrific "Noble Lie" Of "Good-Evil," "Free" Will, Leading Us To Heck

(Apollonian, 14 Feb 14)

Jack: regarding Spengler and determinist history--which u call "fatalist," note this is the very principle we're contending about--does TRUTH exist?--Christ says yes, in Gosp. JOHN 14:6, 8:32, and 18:37-8

Sure we have will, BUT it's not, couldn't be, a perfectly "free" God-like will--as this would be HUBRIS (madness), by definition.

And the large pt. is that dictators ALWAYS invoke "good" (hence "free" will) for excuse for their dictatorship.  Thus it's "good" for society to have that Federal Reserve Bank COUNTERFEITING scam, which then allows oligarchs to print-up nearly ENDLESS funds by which to own and control practically everything and everyone.

My pt. then is if u observe this presently, utterly lawless and satanic society, u see Obongo, not a natural-born citizen, now committing criminal, un-Constitutional acts, now issuing monarchical-style edicts, by-passing Congress, his appointees committing gross crimes--and this is excused upon moralistic grounds, always.

U see then how "good" and expedience is such the excuse/pretext for violation/destruction of law, justice, reason, humanity, and civilization.

"Good of the public" is excuse for gross violation of prop. rights, due process, TSA groping, NSA ignoring of 4th amendment, etc., etc.  Jack, we're being mass-murdered for good--LITERALLY--ck AGENDA-21 "population-reduction" genocide and ObongoCare death-panels--for the "good" of the earth/environment, etc.

Forced toxic vaccinations is for "good" of public health, etc.--all according to the "noble lie" (Plato and Leo Strauss) of "good-evil" founded upon fallacy of a perfectly "free" human will.

Humans are SINNERS, Jack, and we'll NEVER be able to change this sinfulness--NEVER--that's why we have LAW which is now being destroyed by subjectivism and lie, fallacy, delusion, and heresy (Pelagianism) of non-existent, childrens' "good," upon which is the road to heck paved.

Thus this "good" and false (perfectly) "free" will is the ESSENCE of cultural degeneracy in "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler.  True Christian revival, resurgence, resuscitation--hence DETERMINISM ("fatalism," as u put it) would go far to arrest horrific momentum towards perdition we're presently embarked.  Take care.  A.

--------------------above by ap in response to below (also see above ref.)----------------------

AnonymousFeb 13, 2014, 8:16:00 PM

Apsterian,
I think the cyclic theory is a good one and like other theories can be used to explain a good part of the whole.

I would support the concept of an "emergency leader" being used in history by mentioning Plutarch's mentioning Solon of Athens handling their debt crisis as people-appointed wise-man/king for a while to get the mess done.
Debt was forgiven in the case of the Solon issue - and since it wasn't kept perfectly secret ended up being abused by those always present that do such things.

Constantine: I don't have a firm enough grasp on that particular era of history to say enough without reading more.

I can see your point about the Spengler theory - but it is fatalistic in the end - which I don't think presents a good analysis of things in the end because there is some free choice out there - otherwise there would be no point in saying we want people to do "good" things - if individual choice weren't a reality - there would not be consequences since initiating actions would no longer matter.

That said - would you agree that Spengler simply forewarns us of patterns we can use to better understand where we are in these simultaneous and overlapping cycles of history - that we can take action to turn it around before its too late - and by too late meaning there is no longer anyone left fighting for the Bill of Rights.

JR

Is homosexual perversion "natural'?--ho hoo ho, yes, I guess, when u think of it in terms of CYCLIC "Decline of West," by Spengler

Below-copied first published at comments, http://aphilosopher.wordpress.com/2014/02/12/homsexuality-choice/#comment-33435

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Homosexual Perversion Natural To "Decline Of West," By Spengler

(Apollonian, 12 Feb 14)

TJB (see below): note homosexuality & irrationalism (they go together) is quite understandable in socio-biologic (deterministic) terms when u consider the Spenglerian, CYCLIC "Decline of the West" and it's necessary progress, such as it is.

Thus the original culture arises as people are HONEST and objectivistically-oriented (Aristotle), but as the culture advances in military victory and prosperity, it breeds up generations of spoiled brats (as we see) who didn't have to fight and struggle for what they now have, provided by earlier, more intrepid generations.

Thus the evermore corrupted culture falls-away fm honesty, objectivity (Aristotle) and begins to adopt the wishful-thinking and HUBRIS of SUBJECTIVISM, and this esp. in form of Pharisaism-moralism (Immanuel Kant, especially) whence the corrupt suckers of the society pretend to HUBRIS, "good-evil" and the perfectly "free" human will--we see this in the Roman example, and now in the West, as so brilliantly and definitively described and exposited by Oswald Spengler.


Thus, if u think of society as a biologic sort of organism or super-organism, u see the very same process of Aristotelian-styled "GENERATION AND CORRUPTION."


Thus in USA, for example, u first see the definitive and horrific destruction of US Constitution in US "Civil War," whence Lincoln mass-murdered nearly a million white citizens of the south, plains Indians were next on the list of ruthless extermination, explicit imperialism ensued in Spanish-American war of 1898.

This destruction of the rational culture was then confirmed in 1913 w. passage of US Federal Reserve Act which set up literal, legalized COUNTERFEITING of the money-supply, the definitive enthronement of a criminal class as overlords, this rapidly moving, as we see presently, to total world domination and dictatorship of United Nations, IMF, NAFTA, etc.--now moving to explicit GENOCIDE of AGENDA-21 "population-reduction" and, as we see here in USA, ObongoCare death-panels, not to mention the on-going slow-kill mass-murder of the people by means of poison fluoride in water-supplies, toxic vaccines, GMO poison foods and additives, forced drugging of population, poison "chem-trails," not to mention the horrific radiation-poisoning of depleted-uranium weapons--which kills our own troops--and Fukushima.

So when u understand the Aristotelian, objective, hence determinist nature of reality in general, u then see how things happen and manifest more particularly in definitive CYCLIC mode, historically, as noted by one of the great geniuses, Oswald Spengler--thus u see the part played by irrationalism-as-fashion, esp. in way of homosexual perversion, destruction of family and humanity, etc. as evident before our very eyes.


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Mike, are you aware of any sociobiological basis for homosexuality?

Horrific, horrible, and horrendous as it is, currency collapse of US Dollar is humanity's only hope against Jews and satanists

Below by ap first published at comments, http://aphilosopher.wordpress.com/20...#comment-33339

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Hard Truth: Only Hope For World Is Currency Collapse--Which Is NOT Fun Prospect
(Apollonian, 10 Feb 14)

Problem is the iron-grip the Jew criminals, terrorists, and psychopaths, headed by US Federal Reserve Bank COUNTERFEIT scam, have, still, upon USA. Rand Paul is notoriously on-take for Jew money and backing Israeli terror-state. "Liberals" (now just a buzz-word for fascist leftists) are totally controlled by Jews, and libertarians are thoroughly subverted by Jews.

Originally, way back when, "liberals" and liberalism was healthily Christian and anti-semitic, but then Rothschild money definitively took over the West; the rest is horrific history, the world presently descending into abject satanism and genocide, so gloriously led now by those dear Jews.

Problem then isn't merely political ("libertarian vs. 'classical liberal'"); rather problem is cultural, having to do w. true rational society, hence anti-Semitic, the true, rational society grounded on Christian TRUTH, hence Aristotelian objectivity, hence against such fraud & criminality as the Fed COUNTERFEIT scam, Jews and satanists' primary practical weapon which underlies the irrationalist/Pharisaic psy-ops and "noble-lies."

To call oneself libertarian, but then to seriously, genuinely supporting Israeli terror-state is laughable at best.

Jews now SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO totally dominate the Western mentality and culture that "right/conservative" is construed as supporting Israeli terror state and "left" is supporting the equally Jew-dominated UN/world-dictatorship including AGENDA-21 genocide, ObongoCare death-panels, etc.

Of course, Jews have their gentile cohorts on both wings serving as window-dressing for them, (a) the "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo) hereticalists and traitors, who support Israel on the right, and (b) the homosexuals, especially, and the few genuine "leftists."

So the ONLY hope for the world is currency-collapse of US Dollar, removing that Fed COUNTERFEIT scam, primary weapon of Jews and cohorts, exposing then the genocidal dictatorship being satanically imposed upon over-populated goyim suckers.

Present horrific situation requires observing similar instance in CYCLIC hist.--that of St. Constantine the Great

Below by ap first published at comments, http://americansjourney.blogspot.com/2014/02/being-boethius.html#comment-form


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Follow Historic Example Of St. Constantine The Great For Serious Christian Revival

(Apollonian, 10 Feb 14)

Jack: I don't think much more could be said about the Fukushima situation, which u've described pretty well, basically, SOOOOOOOOO, I think best thing now is to putting it in context/perspective--the CYCLIC, "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler.


See, the corrupt, hubristic society, now over-populated due to the former success and "victory" of previous generations, has bred-up a bunch of perverts who've now abided Obongo-Care death-panels and AGENDA-21 "population-reduction" (genocide).


So, it seems a bunch of poor, stupid suckers gotta DIE, eh?--what else?  For at a certain pt. it's difficult to figure out what to do without someone having to take a bad fall.


Hence we can only look-back in hist. and observe fm a parallel instance, the declining Roman situation in early 4th cent. when heroic St. Constantine the Great revived and resuscitated--at least briefly--the otherwise moribund Roman empire at the time.


We have something of an advantage, perhaps, in the Christian under-current already well-established, BUT we see that it's terribly perverted by the hereticalist "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo) traitors who follow the "neo-cons" and support terror-state of Israel, etc.


These JC hereticalists and traitors are the primary, immediate problem--these most deserving of ur well-expressed vitriol and denunciation u give in ur blog article, I submit.


Thus the situation requires a genuine effort specifically aimed at these hereticalists, and then further, towards the positive resuscitation of that basic Christian culture, Christianity, the REAL thing, only needing a re-definition for the grasping of it by enough of our fellow-citizens.


So we have to face-down our hereticalist opponents, I think, in a forceful and effective manner.  Pastor Carlson at Whtt.org does much for showing the way, I think, though I myself would be much more emphatic for exposing the satanist psychopaths, like the CFR, Trilateralists, and Bilderbergers who are openly working for "population-reduction" and genocide, as I note.


For one thing, I submit we have to acknowledge at the outset that Christianity is indeed anti-Semitic, which will be predictable and immediate protestation of satanists and opponents.  For Christianity, at root, is worship of TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH (Christ), according to Gosp. JOHN 14:6, and against lies (JOHN 8:44).  Thus, observe Christianity actually upholds the Aristotelian objective reality, necessary basis, premise, and criterion for TRUTH, this against the lies of the Jews and associates, including esp. these JC cohorts, the single, strongest gentile political influence.


Thus we have to be capable of understanding Christian TRUTH, hence objectivity in contrast to Pharisaic SUBJECTIVISM and phony, hereticalist "good-evil" (Pelagianism), Pharisaic "good" the greatest enemy of Christian TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH.


This rationalist-inspired anti-Semitism, anti-Pharisaism may seem difficult, but it will become easier as economy continues to collapse and degenerate, never doubt.  Think of this necessary Christian campaign as similar to Pastor Carlson's, but more stream-lined and explicit in certain ways--Christianity understood in more emphatic philosophic terms, Christian objectivity against subjectivism and the "noble-lie(s)" of Leo Strauss, for specific example--a more outright anti-Pharisaism in general, aside fm anti-Israel.

Alex Jones (InfoWars.com) is he "useful idiot"?--or outright, deliberate, conscious, anti-Christ traitor?--I say he's just idiot

Below by ap first published at comments, http://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2014/02/04/alternative-media-continues-to-ignore-alex-jones-stratfor-connection/#comments


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Alex Jones: "Useful Idiot"?--Or Conscious, Deliberate Traitor?

(Apollonian, 10 Feb 14)

Tim: I'll say it again, Jews have ALREADY won--they sweep the field--why do u ignore this?  Our only hope now is (a) to survive, (b) to come-back--IF POSSIBLE--and it is possible w. coming currency-collapse.  Jones is presently much the "only game in town" (of practical nature) to opposing the top powers in control--this is all I'm saying, don't forget.


Do u doubt Jones opposes the "globalists" (as he puts it, he always leaving out Jews)?  I think Jones DOES oppose the top masterminds, as he's explicitly said, the CFR, Trilateralists, and Bilderbergers--this isn't lies or dis-info.  JOnes is against AGENDA-21 and ObamaCare death-panels; he's also against fluoride-poisoning in water-supplies, GMO foods, "chem-trails," etc.--this is a net plus for patriots, even though patriots need to go further to seeing the full anti-Christ program.


Most of all, Jones opposes the US Federal Reserve Bank which is PRIMARY WEAPON (of practical nature) of Jews, satanists, anti-Christs, et al.


U're overlooking, I suspect, gravity of the situation regarding US Dollar--if and when it collapses, it will be like Humpty-dumpty--they will TRY to replace it, perhaps, but the replacement will NOT have the same status as "reserve-currency," used for international trans-actions, esp. for oil (the "petro-dollar").


Currency-collapse will be EPOCHAL--it (US Dollar as "reserve currency") cannot and will not be "replaced."  All the king's horses and all the king's men will not be able to (fully) replace the Dollar.  Coming collapse is serious business, and it's why ZOG is arming to teeth, buying-up all the ammo, militarizing local police, etc.--they're scared, for good reason.


And this Dollar collapse will be fatal--millions are going to die because of, if nothing else, food-shortages, civil un-rest, etc.  Question is what will ensue?--will there be full-blown martial-law?--calling in UN troops (esp. Muslims who will gladly kill Americans)?  There are horrific things ZOG can do--like a huge EMP strike, for example, which will wipe-out electric-grid, which could kill HUNDREDS of millions.


So u see, I'm "fan" of Jones, and I provisionally defend him, but I KNOW Jones has serious problems, much as u've pt'd out, BUT if u want to say Jones is total satanic-type liar who's consciously working for the satanists behind the Fed, u need to supply more and better details, not merely asserting.


I've never seen (or even hrd of) "Scanner Darkly" or "Walking Life"--perhaps u can tell us something about them, what the pt. to them is.  When I ck Jones site, I don't see Jones selling these afore-mentioned movies, Jones rather having many of his own vids he tries to sell.


Tim, did u know Hoffman was on the Jones show?--I think even Hoffman would agree w. my own appraisal of Jones, a "useful idiot," perhaps, at worst, but not a conscious traitor.


Don't doubt I take ur info seriously, but so far, I don't believe u've made a solid, detailed case for Jones being a deliberate, conscious anti-Christ traitor to US Constitution.


------------------------------above by ap in response to below--------------------------

Timothy Fitzpatrick

 /  February 9, 2014

Do you think the banksters don’t already have a replacement for the dollar? You minimize Alex Jones’s treachery by making statements about patriots having to “agree with perfect exactitude.” This isn’t an insignificant issue. You, of all people, know that there is either 100 percent truth or lies. Jones is the half-truth movement game in town. There is nothing Aristotelian about making excuses for his lies. What is the common link between Jones, Paul, and Ventura? The mainstream media promotes all of them, but not enough that they become bigger than the establishment line—just enough to make it seem like we have a choice. Controlled oppoisition, apollonian. Jew butcher Lenin said, “the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” The book the girl refers to in that video is Hoffman’s Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare. In it, Hoffman eloquently explains how merely exposing the Illuminati conspiracy is not productive but is often counter-productive. Hoffman is explaining liars just like Jones. Your Infotainment hero has starred in two Jew Hollywood trash movies (A Scanner Darkly and Walking Life). Looks like you have a lot of homework to do on Judas Goat Jones.

Sandy Hook "massacre" fraud is BIG-LIE within same old satanic struggle against Christian TRUTH and reason

Below-copied by ap first published in comments, http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/01/13/obama-dept-of-ed-in-3-2-million-sandy-hook-payout/comment-page-2/#comment-60438

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Christianity: Worship Of Truth, Hence Objectivity, Determinism--"Free" Will Mere Conceit

(Apollonian, 8 Feb 14)

Hello: forgive me for butting in, but I understand Beth appreciates the free-will vs. determinism problem/issue regarding Christian philosophy--if I'm not presuming too much here.

And it isn't off-topic, I don't think, long as it bears with the satanic lies vs. TRUTH theme, Sandy Hook "massacre" a huge fraud in the campaign to overthrow Christian culture in USA, along w. Constitutional gov., etc.

And note the Sandy Hook fraud is outright satanic attempt to create a false reality.  Sandy Hook is classic "big-lie" whence the sucker/victim is relied upon to fool him/her -self, the idea being such a lie "couldn't" be true.


Note we have (at least) two solid philosophic sources fm New Test., St. Paul, who can be complicated, and then, my favorite, dear Gosp. JOHN, who's more brief, JOHN holding Christ is allegory of TRUTH, the only way to Godly happiness (JOHN 14:6).


So truth requires an objective reality (as criterion for truth) which must be DETERMINED (absolute cause-effect) vs. a perfectly "free" will--St. Paul agrees, noting we're all sinners and no one is perfect, "no not one."


St. Augustine clarifies it all when he opposes Pelagius and his doctrine of "good works," which Augustine denies, saying we're hopelessly doomed to perdition, and only God's grace can save us--later, Martin Luther agreed most emphatically w. Augustine.


Humans then, don't and can't have a perfectly "free," Godly-type will, and remember the issue isn't "good vs. evil," but rather TRUTH vs. lies, satan the "father of lies" (JOHN 8:44).


It's simply HUBRIS (madness) & Pharisaism then to pretend to "good."  We can only strive to temper our natural will to self-interest w. REASON much as possible--"altruism" (selflessness) is impossible and dis-honest.

Satanism then is a kind of sustained hubris (madness), rejecting the God-given, hence DETERMINED reality--it isn't "good vs. evil," as it is reason & honesty vs. madness.  For who in his/her right mind would willingly do anything deserving hell-fire, which is for children, actually?


And serious psycho-pathology then would have to be that conscious & deliberate refusal to heed to objective reality insisting that one's will and desire is the only thing to be pursued, the only reality.  For "good-evil" could only exist in a subjectivist reality, there being no possible TRUTH in subjectivism whence anything goes, and everything is both true and false at the same time.


Sandy Hook fraud is sustained & elaborate attempt to overthrow Christian TRUTH and that God-given, hence objective reality.  I hope this Christian philosophic exposition helps.