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Excellent discussion w. Brian & Pannobhasa, Though Didn't
Discuss Determinism
(Apollonian, 11 Feb 20)
(Apollonian, 11 Feb 20)
What is truth?--well, it is God = Christ = truth--see Gosp. JOHN 14:6. Christianity then is worship of truth, the highest value, summum bonum--the only way to God the Father. Note also, that very question, "What is truth?" is asked by Pontius Pilate to Christ at Gosp. JOHN 18:37. Christ replies nothing, allowing Pilate to move on to his next thought, the idea then (of the Gospel-writer) being that it is the very problem, but which Christ rather wants to leave for Pilate to figure-out for himself.
Thus truth is what is reflected by the objective, hence God-given, reality--as we confirm by observation and science, all science, logic, and reason dependent upon that objective reality and premise thereto--also known as "correspondence theory," as noted by Pannobhasa. "Coherence" then would be mere elaboration which couldn't work without "correspondence" or objective reality already implicit.
So it comes down to objectivity--or not--and nothing else works. Only problem w. this excellent discussion btwn Brian and Pannobhasa is it didn't get into the "free" will vs. determinist issue.
Note also the Greeks discussed this problem of the fundamentals of reality and philosophy, called "metaphysics," and observe that if there were no objectivity, then NOTHING works, as subjectivism falls to reduction ad absurdum--if reality is subjective, then ANYTHING goes, and there's no limit--one can both be and not be, etc.
Further, observe that this basic premise is itself obviously un-provable, as it is the most basic, nothing coming before it as premise--an ASSUMPTION (necessarily). Anything not objective then falls to reduction-ad-absurdum.
So u see, it's not provable, that basic premise for things, so it's really matter of choice, and we see that SUBJECTIVISM is extremely useful for Satanists (extreme subjectivists--idea that reality is mere product of mind/consciousness, making subject God, the creator--satanism) as it (subjectivism) is basic premise for non-existent delusion of "good-evil" which thus allows Satanists great power over the inferiors and weaklings of the world (not that they're "bad")--who are by far the most numerous and prevalent in numbers, hence politically powerful--weaklings and inferiors sooo subject to INFERIORITY-COMPLEX and "guilt," and thus "good-evil" delusion, known to Catholics as Pelagian heresy--the idea that human "free" will can choose "good," and thus the subject can WILL his way to virtue and DEMAND of God a place in Heaven.
Note then, most powerful (politically, sociologically, and psychologically) Satanists are the COLLECTIVIST subjectivists who are most organized, cohesive and best led, who collude in most effective, successful "group-think," and who have always been Jews (see Gosp. JOHN 8:44). For best expo on Judaism see Talmudical.blogspot.com, RevisionistReview.blogspot.com, Come-and-hear.com, and TruthTellers.org.
Thus Christianity hold humans are poor sinners, always have been, always will be, by virtue of the human will, which isn't perfectly "free" as God's is, but which makes the human necessarily "egoistic," thus following one's will and/or "interest"--the human necessarily self-interested and incapable of anything else, hence a "sinner."
So one sees the choice btwn objective and subjective (similar to Aristotle vs. Plato who upheld "good" along w. truth and beauty as his kind of foremost "trinity"), and as perfect "free" will is impossible but for God, the world is DETERMINIST, according to absolute cause-effect, there being no perfectly "free" human will.
Thus one sees the perfection of Christian philosophy embedded within the "religion" and myth, which philosophy is understood by only a few, most "Christians" occupied and rather fascinated by that ethical discussion and teachings found in Gospels which so much seem to dominate the interest of the volk, ethics over metaphysics.
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