Morons and scum in USA are being mass-murdered--How?--And Christianity can well counter-act

Scum, Puke, And Filth Are Being Mass-Murdered--Whoopie--But Note, Sucker--That Doesn't Mean It's Good For Us, Humans

(Apollonian, 25 Sep 12)

I. The Problemo: MASS MURDER--masked then by TV-induced mass psychosis

Well, now we observe folks (here in USA) are being mass-murdered--by slow-kill methods, like poisoned corp. vaccines, fluoridated (poisoned) water, etc., and, as we've lately been informed, esp. by GMO foods which cause horrific cancer and other diseases.  Just ck InfoWars.com or NaturalNews.com for all the articles and material u might need for info.  Rates of cancer are EXPLODING, morons--get a clue.

But what exactly is at ROOT of the great success of the top Jew powers for this mass-murder taking place--even in-ur-face, the trendies, yuppies, and metro-sexual TV-addicts laughing about it all, loving to watching their idiot foot-ball games.

TV then is surely most successful and powerful instrument for hypnosis, but there's got to be more for substance of what's injected by the hypnosis means, and that is these dumb, little bastards LOVE to think they're "good," don't they?

So this ("good-evil" Pelagian heresy, magnified by the Jew-tube), I submit to u, is what's working, masking, providing for, and laying groundwork for the mass-murder being actively administered upon us and our people.  And note the Jew puke at the top insist it's "good" to reduce population--"for the earth," ho ho--which then the trendies and metrosexuals enthusiastically applaud--anything that's "good," after all (is good, ho ho ho).

II. The Anti-Dote To Heresy: Real Christianity--TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH Above All

Note when the various cities and towns try to remove the fluoridation poisoning of the water, often the states (through the legislators) then vote for mandatory fluoridation--those legislators are well-paid, never doubt, as the US Federal Reserve ("Fed"--see RealityZone.com for expo/ref. on Fed COUNTERFEITING) is made for that, just churning-out and printing-up all the money they need to buy politicians and judges (as well as everything else too that's buyable).

(A) So the easy answer, right straight off, is to enhance the power and influence of the local governments, but how to doing this?--working through the Christian churches and organizations is one great and important way, I strongly suggest.  Christianity, upholding TRUTH above all things, is outstanding potential influence for reason and freedom.

(B) Thus Christianity is most powerful and distinct Philosophy--not merely aesthetic allegory.

Thus one must simply understand what Christianity really is--and Gosp. JOHN gives most excellent capsule exposition for Christian philosophy: it upholds TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH above all, Christ symbolic of truth, the only way to Godly happiness, as JOHN 14:6.

Note then specifically, Christianity thus upholds Aristotelian OBJECTIVITY of reality, this objectivity then necessary, natural basis of truth, the premise for truth--which opposes Jew/Talmudic subjectivism, the Jews holding truth and reality being what Jews say it is, this for the "good" of Jews.  See RevisionistHistory.org, RevisionistReview.blogspot.com, and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo.

Thus for Christianity, properly understood (see St. Augustine and Pelagian heresy), there is NO "good-evil," humans being sinners (naturally self-interested), no power of human will being capable of altering this sinful human nature, humans hopelessly doomed but for God's grace.  Thus there's no "evil," just insanity--as we observe Jews and their accomplices are psychopaths, obsessed w. this pretended, imaginary "good" by which they justify their mass-murders.

CONCLUSION: Thus Christian TRUTH ABSOLUTELY opposes Jew lies and subjectivism which founds moralist/Pharisaist delusion/heresy of "good-evil."  And this Christian anti-Pharisaism is what must be emphasized.  Christianity indubitably is anti-semitism, never doubt--and this should be emphasized, not over-looked or not-mentioned.

Get a clue, suckers--Gun Control is TERRORISM, never doubt

Gun Control: It's TERRORISM, Suckers--Thematic Emblem Of Tyranny, Critical Measure Of Enslavement

(Apollonian, 20 Aug 12)

What's purpose of 2nd Amendment to US Constitution, regarding right to bear arms?--Answer: for protection of citizens by way of over-throwing tyrannical government--aside fm protection against criminals, and hunting.

Thus an armed citizenry is the "last-ditch" against just the sort of genocidal tyranny that's arisen presently in USA and now seeks consolidation. Never forget ObamaCare means DEATH panels--that's GENOCIDE, suckers. Thus ObamaCare seeks to monopolize, absolutely dominate, and impose a toxic "health care" meant to mass-murder the people.

For if guns are good and necessary for protection against criminals, observe the same holds for an even more dangerous opponent, tyrannical, genocidal government as we have presently if one only looks with open eyes.

Thus the second amendment provides for direct participation of citizens in defense of freedom, law, and removal of such tyrannical government no less than direct participation of jury members helps insure upholding and asserting natural law against improper positive law imposition and usurpations.

Thus citizens at all costs must ABSOLUTELY be armed adequately--even MORE than adequately--for possible (and now necessary) overthrow of horrific tyranny, and note it may require more than ownership of AK 47 rifles and "assault-guns." For as movement of self-defense among citizens accelerates even larger weapons will naturally be required as the movement grows and the conflict intensifies. Control of local government is obviously critical.

So citizens arming for defense against tyrannical gov. is so critically a matter of local government--the most "local" possible method, down to the level of individual citizen. For tyranny originates fm the most centralized topmost levels first, especially fm "bankers" and corporations, for example, these then exerting themselves through the states and then especially against localities and individuals, as we see.

So what's the necessary observation to be made of "gun-control" and "registration" measures by the centralized government, as we observe?--it's obvious measure of tyranny and terror--esp. for the effort to make the citizen think he's insignificant, dependent upon, and defenseless against such tyrannical, centralized government. Gun-control is TERROR, first of all, aside fm illegal, usurpation, treason, and tyranny.

Thus gun-control and dis-arming of citizenry, now being made slaves, is first broached as something "intellectual" as it's imposed gradually, in stages, and by degrees--gun-control is an insidious and subtle program applied over decades and treated by means of heavy, intensive drama and massive propaganda repeated over and over.

And thus one KNOWS much staging and contriving goes on in order to impose this gun-control enslavement and suicide--as esp. then in way of false-flags, patsies, and "ringers," psychologically and chemically treated (esp. by way of toxic prescription drugs) and then further encouraged to commit savage acts, these acts then hyped and blown-up by the bought-and-paid-for "mass-media" to further influence and terrorize the population already and simultaneously treated by the "edjumacation" system and mass-entertainment.

CONCLUSION: Thus the genocidal tyrants of the present Jew world order seek to induce the terror-trance formation upon the citizenry who are literally encouraged to commit suicide by way of giving-up their guns and submitting to mass-murder by way, as we see, of poisonous vaccines, toxic prescription drugs, poisonous GMO foods, poisonous fluoride in the water, and poisonous aluminum and other metalic particles seeded into the atmosphere by means of "chem-trails." Gun-control is all of a piece w. the carefully staged slow-kill and methodic genocide, terror, and trance-formation imposed upon the victimized people.

The Terror-Trance Formation of USA

Hey Dipshits: Guess What?--U're Being Toyed-With And Methodically Terrorized, Stupid Scum: IT'S TRANCE-FORMATION OF USA, IDIOTS

(Apollonian, 23 Jul 2012)

I. The "Batman" Movie Shootings In Aurora, Colorado: The BASIC RECIPE: (a) the Terror Event, (b) "Jews-media" SPIN and Prop., REPEATED And Repeated, Fools--Will U EVER Get A Clue?

What's most effective, easiest, SIMPLEST mental-programming?--TERROR, suckers--the straight application of FEAR. Then the poor suckers (brainless, TV-addicted dumbasses who are huge, large part of the population) will do nearly ANYTHING u tell them--simple.

Only problem is if u happen to have too many folks with strong, trained, and prepared rational minds who are prepared to fight for their rights (to be covered in section II, below)--but given the corrupted culture of "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler, this sociologic/historic circumstance is mere matter of calculation.

And this application of purest terror is what's now happening to USA and West too. The easy boogey-men, of course, are first, the musselmen; others are "lone-nuts" and "patriots" too, esp. "right-wing"-types like the Tea-party.

Observe further, the ONLY seemingly non-establishmentarians (establishment always being leftist and socialist--collectivist morons--even if, note, these are minority among the people, like bolsheviki and homosexuals) are the sympathizers of Israel and Jews, like the "neo-cons" who make up the "tea-party," who, even if not all-out collectivists yet will still and predictably affirm moralism and "good-evil," like Alex Jones of InfoWars.com who runs the Jewwy "limited-hangout" diversion psy-ops. Poor Alex Jones is soooo hopped-up on "good-evil" Pharisaism and sanctimony he doesn't realize he's Jews' puppet for the thematic Hegelian dialectic.

So how exactly does this terrorism all work?--simple: (a) first u do the terror "event," and this only has to be somewhat and even half-assed performed ("perform" is precisely the word, too), the patsy not necessarily having to be the actual or principal perpetrator(s)--like Lee Harvey Oswald and others. The real and principal perpetrators are always behind-the-scenes--like the FBI who were behind the original 1993 WTC bombing--or the more recent "underwear bomber" of Christmas 2009 at Detroit airport who was deliberately put on plane by US State Dept., ho ho ho.

THEN (b) MOST CRUCIAL, the mass-corporate "Jews-media" SPIN and propaganda (conscious and active-programming of the mass morons and TV-addicted fools) is brought to bear, repeating, repeating, repeating--"give-up ur rights--GIVE UP UR GUNS, suckers." Ho ho ho ho ho--simple, eh?--this is what's happening now w. the Batman movie theater shooting in Aurora, Colorado which had the most draconian gun-control law(s) in the state. Thus the Feds knew they'd have an easy shooting-gallery to have fun and kill at will (so far, to date, toll is 14 dead, nearly 60 wounded).

So again, to sum-up, basically first u only need (a) the terror, and (b) then the "Jews-media" propaganda and programming--as we see now IN OUR VERY FACES--just turn-on the TV--look at the headlines for Yahoo.com, ho ho ho.

II. The Cultural, Social, Historic Circumstances For Such Terror-Programming

And this terror-trance formation of the masses of scum and fools who make up such great proportion of the rabble, the "people," inevitably comes about in historic CYCLIC process whence, as we see presently in USA, as earlier in historic Roman Empire, the "people," descendents of original heroes, founders, conquerors, and pioneers, have become complacent, perverted, and corrupt, so heavily TV-addicted w. HUBRIS, esp. in way of moralism and Pharisaic "good-evil" delusion (Pelagian heresy of St. Augustine).

Thus this idiotic "good-evil" (which is absolutely anti-Christian, classic Pelagian heresy, again) founds and enables both sides of the false political paradigm of "right-left," "conservative-liberal": the (a) extreme collectivists on the one hand--the "leftists" consisting of Jew-bolsheviks, homosexuals, illegal aliens, and others, and (b) the "rightists," who may pretend to non-collectivism, but yet still up-hold moralism and "good-evil" (as above-noted of Alex Jones), esp. the Jew-sympathetic "Judeo-Christians" and "Christian-zionists" of the Tea-party, these then playing "good-cop, bad-cop" political theater for the large population--as we see in Obama ("left") vs. Republicans ("right").

III. The Terror-Trance Formation

Again, note the Terror-Trance formation of the mass of TV-addicted morons and suckers is no terrible problem (or mystery) as it requires merely the right CYCLIC "Decline of the West" circumstances as achieved already in USA, the poor brainless mass of scum and morons now stripped of their heroic (genuine, hence anti-semitic) Christian leadership.

How do u KNOW this terror trance formation is successful, in effect, and even rampaging before ur very eyes so effortlessly?--simple: observe Criminals rule and prevail as the very MONETARY SYSTEM of USA (and indeed, entire world) is the COUNTERFEIT scam/fraud of US Federal Reserve Bank ("Fed"--see "Creature From Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin, his site is RealityZone.com) which presently holds sway, now administering purest terror, as we see, confirmed in the very legal system, even if it's against original US Constitution, ObamaCare featuring literal "death-panels" and the eugenic "depopulation" of the nation and world--GENOCIDE--which the mass of morons are distracted fm facing and grasping, the poor, brainless scum--sheep and stupid goyim waiting mindlessly and idiotically for their impending slaughter. Wake-up, dip-shits.

CONCLUSION: For, once again, note the Fed COUNTERFEIT machine, the MAIN/PRIMARY weapon/instrument of the presently-ruling criminals (master-minded by Jews, as usual), simply prints-up all the funny money Jews and criminals need for practically everything they want: the bribing and extortion--and assassination when necessary--of nearly all politicians and judges, ownership and absolute control of all corp.s, large and small, esp. the "Jews-media," public "edjumacation," and even, as we note, all establishment (hence Jew-friendly) "Christian" churches, Prot. and Cath., etc.--they literally own EVERYTHING, suckers (even the formerly privately-owned houses and cars, now in hock to the Jews)--people need to getting a clue, pronto, just to saving ur scummy lives, fools. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

Admit it, u cowardly puke: U'RE TOTALLY TERRORIZED BY JEWS (and their suck-alongs)

One of the reasons it's so easy to lose respect for the scum of USA--"the people"--is they're such addicted puke (even me, myself, sorry to say, such as I am) to --the TV and false "prosperity"--MAMMON worshippers, truly.

But further, and most of all, they're (the "people," again) TOTALLY TERRORIZED and intimidated by these putrid, scummy Jews--yet they refuse to admit it--specifically, that they are scared of these stinking kikes.  So most people thus fail to understand the Jews are topmost terrorists--these Jews did 9-11, don't forget.

See, u can't say anything against kikes upon pain of losing ur stupid, suck-along's job.

And I notice--esp. if u ck the white-niggers on TheBeerBarrel.net, a site pretending to "free speech" for "white" people (which "white" they don't define, the dumb bastards), which is thoroughly infiltrated by Jews, by the way--stupid white niggers have such clever excuses for failing to note the kikes.  These white niggers say they don't say or think kikes are "hiding under 'EVERY' bed," and then they say they shouldn't blame kikes for everything.

Obvious pt. is that kikes are the top CRIMINALS, that's all.  Of course there are numerous criminals among the goyim--but what we ("anti-semites") say is Jews are at the top of it all for the large criminal network and conspiracy, beginning w. that topmost COUNTERFEITING scam, the US Federal Reserve.

Thus we see stupid white-niggers--no diff. fm the trendy, leftist, "metro-sexuals" on DailyKos--they like beerBarrel (better known as "queer-barrel") as they can get on and say the word, "nigger," nigger nigger--it makes them feel soooooooooooooooo good.

So we see, ironically enough, how it really is true that we're presently over-populated w. dumb bastards--like these stupid, Jew-friendly white niggers, w. all their stupid excuses and platitudes.

Note these dumb bastards are on both sides, "left" (the "metro-sexuals," in general) and "right" (the "Judeo-Christians" [or "Christian-zionists"]--JCs--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo/ref.--who say Christ was Jew), so perfectly have the kikes taken over fm all sides.

And the cultural crux to it all is truly philosophic, getting down to the real meaning of Christianity--ANTI-SEMITISM, suckers--Christian TRUTH vs. Jew lies (see Gosp. JOHN 8:44).

But note MOST PEOPLE CANNOT think--it's just impossible for them--and that's why we're in such horrific difficulty.  Dumb bastards have been "empowered"--they think they're boss now--ho ho ho--and u see them on places like queer-barrel, running their mouths, feeling like they're soooooooooo strong and smart.

Thus the "empowered" dumb-shits and white-niggers have "taken control," in their little groups, as on queer-barrel, and it's interesting how they operate, intimidating people (so they think, anyway) by means of "reputation" pt.s, attached to every posting made by who-ever posts, which they inflict upon anyone they don't like--esp. anti-semites like urs truly, ho ho ho.

Dumb bastards and white-niggers "empowered" and "taking-control"--that's (another reason) why USA is going down the proverbial "drain," indubitably, stupid white-niggers and scum so easily "influenced" by the strategically targeted funding of the COUNTERFEITERS of Fed.  This then (strategic, even brilliant, Fed funding) is why and how kikes at top rule--and they have the dip-shits and white-niggers, maybe not a majority, but still the largest single group, working most enthusiastically for them, un-questionably.

Disagree w. "libertarian"?--get "booted"--ho ho ho

Well, I had a little dis-agreement w. this "libertarian" moron, leader of a "meetup.com" group--u know, those "lovers of liberty," ho ho ho.

This "libertarian" thinks he's doing us all a great favor sending links and references for us to look at, right? But one of these lists included an "intro" with holohoax bullshit (see just below, no. 1), so I wrote back, telling him I wasn't going to put up w. this stupid crap, lies, and propaganda.

He wrote one more note simply repeating and asserting the same lies, and I responded telling him he was a fool sucking up to liars--whence he "booted" me fm his stinking little group--good riddance, I say.

Below are the notes' texts; first begins the original generic transmission to all the group's recipients including me:


(1) "“I am a survivor of a concentration camp. My eyes saw what no person should witness. Gas chambers built by learned engineers. Children poisoned by educated physicians. Infants killed by trained nurses. Women and babies shot and killed by high school and college graduates. So I’m suspicious of education. My request is: help your students to be HUMAN. Your efforts must never produce learned monsters, skilled psychopaths, or educated Eichmanns. Reading and writing and spelling and history and arithmetic are only important if they serve to make our students human.” - Haim Ginott - Was a school principal who witnessed and experienced the Nazi concentration camps of the 1930s and early 1940s"

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So I wrote back:

"William: I submit u lose credibility when u give currency to these slanderous lies about German gas chambers during WWII--there's NO EVIDENCE, just lies by liars, proven liars.

"Where are the gas chambers?--did it ever occur to u to ask such simple question?

"Why are there NO bodies or remains?--none--and I'm talking about such remains as can be proven fm these "gas-chambers."

"It's same problem as when u send vids about Bill Still's "Secrets of Oz" which advocates fiat money--these are "MIXED SIGNALS," which are contradictory and confusing--who can have confidence in u when u do this sort of "spamming," as it were?"

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The "lover of liberty" then wrote back:

(2) "Sir, My main interest is in making people think. I don't always agree 100% with all the items and connections I send out but I do want to expose folks to new and sometimes conflicting ideas to spark conversation and further interest or research. Your reference to Nazi Death camps and concentration camps as not in evidence is totally wrong and un factual. I've been to Germany and seen Dachau and there were definitely gas chambers there. And Eisenhower recorded extensive film evidence of what they found on the occupation of defeated Nazi forces. You need to quit walking around with your eyes wide shut."

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Now, here's where I REALLY messed-up (ho ho ho), as I wrote back in reply to just-above:


"U need to quit playing the fool, sucking-up to liars.

"But nonetheless I applaud any honest debating of real issues, which holohoax is one. U HAVE NO "EVIDENCE," and if u do, present the citations like a decent scholar--don't just make assertions.

"There were no gas chambers in Dachau, and if u say there were, give the citation(s).

"Did u know Eisenhower was descended fm Jews (according to the West Pt. yearbook when he attended, about 1915) and hated Germans and wanted to kill more Germans? In fact, Eisenhower did see to the murder of hundreds of thousands of German P-O-Ws after the war--see James Baque, "Other Losses," and "Crimes and Mercies."

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(3) So after this, I rec'd a form note fm the parent site (Meetup.com) saying I was removed--so I naturally demanded to know what for, and got this fm the dear "lover of liberty"--and I'm not making this up:


(4) "Sir,

"I am always prepared for sensical discussion but denying that there were concentration camps and extermination camps shows you have really slanted your study of history and your confrontational tones with others in the group is why you were booted off. You really need to improve your diplomacy. Your list of the minorities that you seem eager to villify and denegrade shows an evil mind with strong scapegoating tendencies. I have been studying World War II for over 40 years and you really need to get your own head out of your posterior so that you too can see the forest for the trees. The evidence for the Holocaust is all there because the Nazis themselves made meticulous records of what they were doing. I have many books dealing with WW II and the Holocaust is extremely well documented. If you wish to see the evidence I can show at least half a dozen books that specialize on the subject and my own personal pictures I took when I was in Germany and visited Dachau. It was all very real. Your ignorance of the war and the whole time period for the first half of the 20th century shows you are also not a true seeker of the truth. I can include you in my extras list to continue receiving Liberty Connections or you can just drop out of the whole search for truth and the ways of freedom and liberty."

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So I wrote back:

"The reason I was "booted," as u put it, is u're incapable of debate upon the facts. U were called out for ur lies--there were no "death" camps in Germany. Even the pushers of holohoax lies admit the alleged and fictional "killings" took place outside Germany. U were given ur opportunity to provide citations and references which u can't do--so u lost the debate and now u confirm it by "booting" one who shows u up for the ignorant liar u are.

"There's nothing wrong w. "confrontation"--that's the way debate takes place, and why should one be "diplomatic" w. liars like urself?

""List of minorities"?--whatever are u talking about?--I made no such list anywhere.

"But ur best one is "evil mind"--so u think u're "good"?--tell us what is the premise. I uphold truth and challenge u for evidence which u not only don't have--U DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT of what "evidence" entails.

"And it doesn't occur to u that Germany was fighting the VERY SAME banking oligarchs, who subsidized the communists then, and who are today consolidating their empire in the way of "New World Order," the United Nations, etc.

"U're just a stupid punk going nowhere, spamming people's in-boxes, not even urself bothering to read what u send or reading what others send u in way of references and citations--U'RE A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. Don't bother me w. any further notes."

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Such are the "libertarians"--infested w. morons, scum, and zionist suck-ups--puke who are just tired of the more establishment Rep.s and Dem.s, so they migrate to the next candidates, the "libertarians."

Dialectic with "Judeo-Christian" (though he denies it) upon what exactly IS Christianity

Here's another great dialectic found at http://www.thebeerbarrel.net/showthread.php?8911-What-IS-Christianity-a-dialectic-btwn-mighty-apster-and-presumptuous-MAT/page3; it has to do w. meaning of Christianity.

And sorry for the large spaces in btwn these paragraphs--I tried and tried to take them out by "editing" but it just doesn't want to work. I leave a single space, but when I hit "publish" I find the son-of-a-bitch puts double the spaces. I give up.

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Fool Mis-Represents What He Then Condemns
(Apollonian, 14 Jul 11)

MAT: Poor fool, readers will observe u've totally mis-represented Christ's statement (see below-copied by MAT) about "judging." If u lie about one quote, u may have lied about the others too--certainly mis-understood them, regardless. One MUST judge--there's simply no way around it--it's just one must be careful to note criterion by which one judges as it will be applied to oneself in due time. Christ did NOT NOT NOT tell people to not judge (as u allege)--this would be stupid--which is how u understand Christianity which u then condemn.

Problem is u understand "intelligent" (like a Jew) to meaning biased like urself. And indeed, I oppose ur demented and biased understanding which is NOT NOT NOT "intelligent" in proper sense of the word.

Christ un-questionably emphasized idea that truth is pre-eminent value, HONESTY then the pre-eminent ethical virtue--AGAINST the Pharisees (and others, but Pharisees were worst of the bunch) who, in their hubris, always twisted things and lied to suit their interests ("what's 'good' for Jews"). Thus Christ upheld the Aristotelian reality (or "God-created" according to Christians) against Pharisaic/Talmudic subjectivism (as of urs, I'd note).

As Christ is anti-Talmudic (anti-lies and anti-subjective), he is necessarily anti-semitic, ipso facto--I doubt anyone would disagree. Truth then is absolutely thematic for Christian aesthetic/philosophy defining absolutely EVERYTHING else, necessarily.

I don't at all "attack" Christ's teachings--I attack ur miserable "interpretations," that's all. I only say Christ didn't and couldn't have meant what u idiotically say he meant.

And the "cognitive dissonance" is entirely on ur part; u're actually preaching "Judeo-Christianity" (JC) but don't have the wit to understand the stupidity u speak/write. U're such a smug, brainless fool with ur slip-shod, totally conventional "interpretations" which I've shown are so prejudiced if not entirely false--as about ur assertion on "judging." It doesn't occur to a moron like u Jews have sedulously subsidized a Jew-oriented, Jew-serving understanding/"interpretation of Christianity, it's worst enemy, for nearly two hundred yrs now, which is proven in the infamous Scofield Bible, for example--see Whtt.org for expo/ref.

CONCLUSION: MAT: my writings go back ten yrs now which anyone can research at NewNation.org, under "commentary." I'm quite confident for my expo/research; u're the one half-assed and flippant for ur Jew-serving "understanding." Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian


-------------------above by Ap in response to below-copied by MAT--------------------

Yes, that is the full quote--wherein Jesus advises his followers not to judge others. You have not refuted a damn thing.

I do not expect you to utter anything remotely intelligent. The entire basis for your interpretation of Christianity is merely one N.T. verse, which you manhandle to boot. You also believe that Jesus was not Jewish--when he, and all of his apostles and early followers, were Jewish. The earliest Christians just considered themselves another Jewish sect; in fact, the decision to convert Gentiles and not force them to comply with Jewish ceremonial 'laws' was not one that came naturally or easily.

It is also funny that you attack many of Jesus' teachings, suggesting that he could not have meant what he taught because such is illogical, e.g., "loving one's enemies." I find this amusing because many folks who are opposed to Christianity expressly have a problem with these teachings, suggesting that they are unrealistic or simply inapplicable in real life. Such individuals may be right, but at least they have the balls to state they are not Christians because they disagree with some of Christ's teachings, as opposed to claiming to be Christian while similarly disagreeing with such teachings.

You would live with far less cognitive dissonance if you just accept the fact that you are not a Christian. If you are actually a white man, I suggest Asatru. No need to hate Jews and worship them at the same time, or to mangle their teachings to create a pseudo-theological mess.


---------------------------below-copied by MAT in response to above (top) by Ap---------------

We can agree that Jesus was anti-Talmudic, and obviously opposed the Pharisees and Sadducees.

However, Jesus was a Jew, who preached to other Jews, who was followed around by a bunch of other Jews, and so forth. He was clearly not an anti-Semite, at least not in the sense that the term has been understood since the Jews started to cry about their poisecution.

Jesus was only "anti-Semitic" in the sense that he tried to teach the conservative Jews of his day to reform themselves, to be less tribalistic and less hateful. But he was no Aryan warlord or Greek student of Aristotle -- he was a Jew.

Also, I am no "Judeo-Christian."

"As Christ is anti-Talmudic (anti-lies and anti-subjective), he is necessarily anti-semitic, ipso facto--I doubt anyone would disagree." -Apollonian fm above, 14 Jul 11

Au contraire, there is not anyone who would agree. This is another massive oversimplification heaped upon another oversimplification with a conclusion that would literally astound any rational person.

1) Opposing Talmudic teachings, as even some Jews do, does not ipso facto make one "anti-Semitic."
2) The Talmud is not simply about "lies" and "subjectivity" -- nor is Christianity simply about "TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH" and "objectivity."

----------------------below-copied by Ap in response to above by MAT-----------------

Apsterian Expo Mightily Crushes Home, Steadily, Surely, Triumphantly
(Apollonian, 15 Jul 11)

Slowly but steadily MAT finds he must admit to and adopt the definitions, exposition, and meanings mighty Apster has so consistently held.

Observe MAT admits Christ was anti-Talmudic (thus admitting the premise), but now wants to quibble and continue to insist Christ was Jew, MAT insisting Jew is more/other than Pharisaic/Talmudist and those racially related which assertion then consists simply of the fallacy of EQUIVOCATION--conflating two (or more) different things into one and the same. But I maintain the verifiable truth that Jew, strictly speaking, IS NOT same as "Judean," but rather, as I noted w. ref.s, Jew being follower of Pharisees, etc., and those racially related.

MAT then begs the question regarding, "...in the sense that the term has been understood," that term being "anti-semitic," which is anti-Jew (not Judean), or anti-Talmudist. In fact, one can confidently say anti-semitic means anti-Talmudist, practically perfectly parallel terms, and so it has always been held by the Jews themselves. Anti-Talmud is anti-semitic ipso facto.

Thus MAT grudgingly admits and agrees w. my necessary conclusion (Christ was absolutely anti-semitic), though he petulantly wants to stipulate conditions which I never put--I never said Christ was "Aryan warlord." For Christ was Gallilean of Judean descent (not Jew--not Pharisaic) who preached the real Mosaic law--against the Pharisaics, the Pharisaics conspiring thus to have Christ murdered.

And now here we begin to get to the real nitty-gritty about the real, essential Christianity and what it REALLY means first and most (yes, it does feature TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH as foremost principle, as I noted). And observe I didn't say Christ was "Greek" student of Aristotle, but he was Aristotelian without doubt for the primary immanence of Aristotle--OBJECTIVITY. Reality exists in its own right ("God-created" according to the Christians) regardless of our own consciousnesses, thus premise for TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH--an extremely anti-semitic (anti-Talmudic) principle.

For what is the Talmud?--even as MAT himself has already essentially admitted, teaching hate and warfare for the sake of war. Thus the Talmud teaches reality is ONLY what the rabbis say it is (subjectivism, ipso facto), this always serving the "good" of the Jews--but always then, of course, for the special "good" of the leaders of the Jews, the heck w. lower-level kikes whom the top Jews merely use as means to their ends.

Thus Christian TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH vs. Jew lies is very much and precisely the SAME as Aristotelian OBJECTIVITY vs. Jew/Talmudic subjectivity. Q.E.D. And it's impossible and absurd for any "Jew" to oppose the Talmud, for he wouldn't be a Jew (by definition) any longer--it's inconceivable. And in fact, Jews would see to it the apostate Jew would be dead, dead, dead--as they've so well demonstrated throughout hist., Talmud being essentially just a hand-book for CRIMINALS, pure and simple. And Christ cursed the Pharisees (see 23rd chapt. Gosp. MATT) for making the law of Moses into such a criminal enterprise, beginning w. making the law of men to being law of God (Gosp. MARK 7:1-13 and MATT 15:3-9).

Hence Christianity, the philosphy thereto and therein, is NECESSARILY founded upon the idea of truth (as in Gosp. JOHN), hence objectivity, without such objectivity there could be no truth--this, opposed to Jew lies and Talmudism which is meant to serve the "good" of the Jews (actually, their leaders), as defined by the kikes.

MAT is indubitably and without question one who spouts the same "Judeo-Christian" hereticalist lies to effect Christianity and Judaism (Talmudism) are mere variants of same thing; they're NOT NOT NOT--they are HEGELIAN OPPOSITES and anti-theses necessarily and without question. Thus Christianity is so eminently rational and reasonable whereas Judaism/Talmudism is irrationalist and mystic featuring the false "faith" of believing absurd things, this "believing" then creating a false reality within the subject. Proper Christianity only holds "faith" as LOYALTY, like the faithful husband to wife. MAT is half-baked and slip-shod for his understanding and distinctions as I've noted over and over.

CONCLUSION: Hence it is mighty apster has demonstrated his case so conclusively; MAT must lie grossly and grievously to maintain Christ was Jew, a most disgusting and putrid falsehood, and note how he does it, (a) ignoring the ref.s and expo given by apster, (b) continuing then mindlessly and stupidly to repeating the same balderdash as he does. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

Here's a neat dialectic we had, starting a few days ago. Dialectic basically starts here http://www.thebeerbarrel.net/showthread.php?7822-Hi-everybody!/page18, item 177, and then continues at another couple of threads, http://www.thebeerbarrel.net/showthread.php?9040-Is-the-Bible-God, and http://www.thebeerbarrel.net/poll.php?pollid=116&do=showresults.

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Christianity Is Simply Reason Against Mysticism, Irrationalism Harnessed By Jews

(Apollonian, 18 Jul 11)

"Iosiah": I'm not an obedient dog-like animal like u, who "obeys." Rather, I'm honest sinner who essentially does what I pls, pursuing my happiness, in accord w. what I think is real, true, reasonable, and proper. The rule is REASON, period, and Christ is great because that's how he understands ethics, as he says and demonstrates.

Thus the appropriate "commandments" are, as I noted, (1) understanding reality, hence God, and appreciating things ("love God")--(2) and then act accordingly by justice, which second part merely follows logically fm the first. Thus God's (Christ's) advice is to think and be rational, reducing things most simply. Thus Christ re-stated the Old Test., and New Test. reason/rationality is all we need, as I've extensively exposited this thread.

Christ is the God of reason and specifically TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6) against Jew lies (JOHN 8:44). Thus Christianity upholds the Aristotelian OBJECTIVE reality against Jew subjectivism, for basic philosophy, as only objectivity provides criterion for TRUTH. Christianity is not about bean-counting and "obeying" like a dog--as u seem to think--u're just a child; u should grow-up.

Regarding "morality": remember ethics is mere logic btwn ends and means, that's all. Means must properly serve ends.

So u see "Iosiah," u need to grow-up and become a thinking adult: given the OBJECTIVE reality, things are DETERMINED in accord w. absolute cause-effect--there's NO perfectly "free" human will, and thus there's no "good-evil." Everyone does best they can. Jews and queers are irrational and insane, that's all--they're DISEASES-of-opportunity afflicting "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler whence over-populated people suffer hubris, pretending to fallacious, delusional, hereticalist "good-evil," imagining it's good to "tolerate" these monstrous scum and psychopaths, Jews and queers.

Remember, pretending to being "good," as u seem to do, is classic Pharisaism, by definition; u're just a sinner like anyone else. queers (and Jews) are scum as they destroy rational society like the irrationalist diseases they are, and we Christians are soldiers of God and rationality above all.

CONCLUSION: But only 5%, or even less, entirely grasp and can really handle purest REASON, u understand--which then is why we have the advice and "commandments" of Christ to guide us by way of supplement to reason. I hope I've made things simpler for u to understand--we're NOT Pharisees--we don't need "commandments," except as advisory guidance for the weak-minded. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian


-----------------above by Ap in response to below by "Iosiah"-----------------------

Originally Posted by Iosiah

I don't suppose you're referring to these Mark and Matthew verses? Jesus speaking:

Mark 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do nor bear false witness, Defraud not, Honor they father and mother.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

How do you have any moral high ground over a fag when you only obey two commandments yourself?

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Originally Posted by Iosiah

No, you are quite dog-like. You're just a rebel who hates God. John 14:16 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

You think you can lean on your own righteousness and then say that Jesus approves. That is absurd. It's not about what you think is "real, true, reasonable, and proper." As a man, you're too dumb to define those things. There is nothing about "reason" or "ethics" in the scriptures.

Loving God is keeping the commandments. 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

What's with this "TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH" silliness? Christianity, from Genesis to Revelation is absolutely about obedience to God. To say anything else is a lie.

No duh, tard. It's called "predestination." Free willers are heretics. Like you.

Then shut up about the Bible because you have no Biblical basis to speak against Jews and fags with the heresies you've constructed. You're operating purely out of your own righteousness. If your problem with these people is their irrationality, why would you try to bring Christianity into it?


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Christian Aesthetic Is Triumphant Unifier Against Lies, Jews, Et Al.

(Apollonian, 18 Jul 11)

"Iosiah": u're one of those poor creatures who tries to being a good little boy for God understood as parent, u pretending to being "obedient"--which is just as well as u have no brains, obviously--or very little.

Christ affirms TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6) which immediately and necessarily implies the OBJECTIVE (Aristotelian) reality. And God gives us our REASON by which to think, act, and operate. Bible is mere ancillary supplement written by men which u forget too easily as u're just not very smart--it's weaklings like u that most NEED the Bible and its advice as u can't figure things out on ur own.

CONCLUSION: Why dear "Christianity"?--it's universal aestheticalist unifier against lies and those most satanic henchmen, the Jews and their accomplices like the "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo/ref.) hereticalists who rule presently. Christ affirms the objective reality, criterion for TRUTH, TRUTH, TRUTH (without objective reality, there'd be no "truth," u see). Thus objectivity is basis for all human reason, logic, and science, ethics, etc. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

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