Fags--they need to be set straight, every once in a while, ho ho ho ho

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Fag Needs Schooling

(Apollonian, 9 July 14)

It doesn't matter how/what u interpret, stupid (see below-copied)--don't u get it?--freedom of speech means FREEDOM, period, dumbass.

All whites are scum--because we're all sinners, according to dear Lord and Saviour, Christ, u idiot.  Only God's grace and mercy gets us to heaven, but u fags will surely go to heck--at least purgatory for a good, long time, where u'll no doubt suffer grievously, by golly.

Yes I DO indubitably have means of discerning, u stupid moron--it's called inductive logic--if it looks, acts, walks and talks like a duck, then at a certain pt., after masses of evidence is gathered, then one tests to see if it ISN'T a duck--and U PASS ALL THE TESTS FOR BEING A STUPID, DISGUSTING, PUTRID FAG, moron.

Homosexuality is gross, putrid OBSESSION w. sense-gratification, fool--and taking advantage of little boys, etc.--essentially u're a filthy, dirty bully, and sinners like myself love to beat the stuffings out of puke like u, don't doubt.

Newsflash: I'm super Christian warrior, get it?--and what does an idiot like u know about what others like or dis-like, moron?  And it's impossible not to talk-down to puke like u, don't doubt.  Get a life, scum.


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[QUOTE=pbrower2a;506915]How could I otherwise interpret it?

Some white people are scum. Many people claiming to be Christians fall far short of behavior appropriate for Christians. Besides, you have no means of discerning my sexual orientation -- not that homosexuality is grossly wrong. I would rather discover that a son is gay than find that he is 'into' vehicle theft or drug dealing.

If this is all just a put-on act... then it is time to pull the hook on it and drop the curtain. If it is the "real you", then you have problems. Could you hold a job with an attitude like the one that you show? Do you think that you can find a life partner with the fecal language that you use? Your potty mouth is infantile, and nobody likes that in an adult.

You talk down to people, most of whom deserve some respect for their achievements.[/QUOTE]

Philosophic, scientific "house" must be founded upon firm foundation: objectivity (Aristotle), determinism

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Mike: Faced With Reality, Objectivity Must Lose Childish Wishes, Speculation

(Apollonian, 8 July 14)

Mike (see below-copied): at least here (above-copied) u attempt to be more matter-of-fact and somewhat logical than ur previous entry, eh?  But there's HUGE big problem for non-determinism just in the first place which u have to consider (I think).  This, after all, is metaphysics, and if u found ur house (theories) on defective foundation, it quickly falls apart.

So we begin w. Aristotle vs. Plato, objectivity ("immanence") vs. subjective ("transcendence").  Note subjectivity is typically the resort of the moralists and MYSTICS (like Kant, esp.) pretending to perfectly "free" human will (HUBRIS) and then "good-evil" fallacy/delusion/heresy, analyzed and denounced by dear St. Augustine (Pelagianism, founded on fallacious "good-works"), revisited by Martin Luther.

Objectivity (though Aristotle himself seems to have been reluctant to make the conclusion) necessitates determinism, absolute cause-effect--we're sinners, always have been, always will be, seeking our interest (St. Augustine).

So u see, perfectly "free" human will is conceit, HUBRIS (madness), impossible, "good" the worst enemy of truth and freedom, "good" the foundation of fascism and tyranny--"good" is what road to heck is paved with, get a clue.  And note it's impossible to set-up experiment to prove or even observe (perfectly) "free" will (same goes for "good").  The rest of ur text in above-copied is NOTHING but speculation, unsubstantiated assertion, and wishful thinking.

So to sum up, reality is either objective or not, for basic ASSUMPTION (metaphysics).  Subjectivity is absurd--as anything goes.  Hence ur question above, "why should this be?" is answered, though u may not like or accept.


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Originally Posted by Mikebert

Why should this be? The mechanism I propose posits that people in their 50's and 60's who run the institutions of our society have different worldviews than those in their 20's simply because they became adults at a different time.

For example, the generation who came of age in the 1930's and 1940's, on average, were more accepting of the view that American intervention is effective than the generation that came of age in the 1960's and 1970's. The former saw the use of American power to effectively neutralize a rising threat. The latter saw the use of American power to counter a threat which ultimately failed, and the threat ended up going away on its own. These different experiences colored the foreign policy worldviews collectively held by these two generations.

Different world views mean different policies that flow from those views. To the extent that humans choose to act in order to correct the mistakes of the past, policy can in certain ways operate as a negative feedback control mechanism (e.g. a thermostat), If you introduce a lag, (different policy by different generations) these can display oscillatory behavior (cyclical policy). In no way is free will abandoned.

I propose another lagged negative feedback mechanism to model cycles in medieval and early modern times. This too does not violate free will.

Survival now depends upon CALCULATION of present hist. CYCLIC phase....

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?10039-What-event-sticks-out-the-most-to-your-Generation&p=506559#post506559

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Survival And Calculation Of CYCLIC Western "Decline": Christian Model For All Time

(Apollonian, 6 Jul 14)

Gosh Joe (see below-copied), one cannot help but to feel for u.  But u know, u gotta go, much as possible on offensive against what it is that's problem, eh?--only in this way, I submit, can u be satisfied u're doing something useful.

Thus we begin w. philosophy: note things are (a) objective (Aristotelian "immanence"), (b) determined (according to absolute cause-effect, no perfectly "free" will, hence no "good-evil"), (c) then CYCLIC.  Oswald Spengler's "Decline of the West," is my favorite work for description.  I must admit I'm not sure how fourth turning stuff all fits in, but I notice lots and lots of posters here insist upon perfectly "free" will and "good-evil" delusion/fallacy--they're doomed, I submit.

For fascism is always built-upon and justified by "good," never doubt--that's our present culture's great problem.

Hence note the fascists are liars (Gosp. JOHN 8:44), and what's their main instrument?--it's US Federal Reserve Bank (legalized) COUNTERFEIT scam/enterprise, allowing them to print-up (and digitalize) all the funds they need for practically anything, they owning all politicians and judges, all the corp.s, esp. the mass-corp. "news"-media which pushes their lies.

Note also, sociologically, a previously successful culture breeds up following generation(s) of weaklings and inferiors who didn't have to fight like their more successful ancestors did, and these inferiors BELIEVE in the lies, imagining it's "good" to doing so--this is how fascism becomes entrenched, as we see today.

So now u only have to wait and watch and calculate--for when the money-banking system gives-out, as it eventually must, in HYPER-inflation, THAT'S when heroes and survivors have their chance to revolt and revive the previous healthy culture of HONESTY--which rejects the putrid sanctimony and self-righteousness Pharisaism which ruled the putrid old fascist culture, now falling apart.  This culmination of Spenglerian "decline" is now happening--see my thread at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?11355-BRICS-now-up-amp-running-replacing-US-Dollar-as-reserve-currency-disaster-is-certain.

So now, how to UNITE the survivors and heroes who, like u, have striven so to endure, etc.?--answer: that dear Christianity, worship of TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH, above all/any other precepts, according to Gosp. JOHN 14:6.  Remember also, Christianity's Book of Revelations is something of an expo upon the Spenglerian "decline" and culmination of an era, as we see today--the end of the US Dollar (and "Petro-dollar") as world reserve currency.

Fourth turning might add some details--though I'm not so sure about that as I continue to investigate it--but Spengler provides the basic archetype or model, absolutely sure-fire, the world collapsing in lies, hubris, Pharisaism, fiat-money and central-banking.  Oligarchs will try to starting of wars, as we see presently, in order to muddy the waters as they attempt to make escape.B

ut take heart and note the heroic St. Constantine the Great who revived, at least briefly, the otherwise moribund Roman empire of the time, early 4th cent.--Christianity is magnificent means of culture, philosophy, and unity of the people, never doubt--enemies are the worshippers of lies, don't forget.

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[QUOTE=JosephNomad;506559]To me, the events that most stand out are the government oppressions that affected me directly: Being threatened with jail for having firewood in my yard. Threats of fines for keeping a few chickens. Cops conducting unlawful roadside searches. A corrupt divorce court judge. Decrees that I must be a slave to the city and shovel the snow from the city owned sidewalk in front of the house. The theft of my Liberty Dollars from the Sunshine Mint. Shuttering of the check cashing services that make it possible to live un-banked. The constant chaffing about mowing the lawn for fear of what the government bureaucrats will do if I don't. The letter I sent to the election board withdrawing my consent to be bound by the results of their elections. Making sudoephedrine a controlled substance.

From the list that was suggested I selected the tearing down of the Berlin wall and the over the weekend disappearance of the USSR which I also think of as a single event. I selected them as a way of grasping at hope: If those people could be so lucky as to have their tyrannical and oppressive governments dissolve peacefully and without bloodshed perhaps the same can happen for me.[/QUOTE]

Tea-Party: epochal uprising--only the beginning, don't doubt....

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...d=1#post506537

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T-Party: Epochal Up-Rising Against Oligarchal Establishment--It's Only The Beginning
(Apollonian, 6 Jul 14)

T-party is essentially a bunch of libertarians, at least for philosophy, who, however, have been infiltrated by Israel-first neo-cons working to subvert the movement fm within. Observe the gross fraud perpetrated in state of Mississippi Rep. Senatorial primary just a few days ago, Rep. insiders and establishment desperate to steal election fm T-party.

Note the USA is in death-throes, financially, on the brink of horrific HYPER-inflation (as of Weimar Germany of early-to-mid 1920s, which ushered-in Adolf Hitler), already in intermediate stages. T-party naturally is largest, over-all political group hoping and trying to save financial/economic situation much as this is possible by means of "reactionary"-seeming radical cutting of spending, taxes, and, perhaps most of all, dictatorial gov. "regulations," including totally treasonous "executive orders" issued by Obama and other presidential usurpers.

This T-party movement is HUGE, even epochal, phenomenon, entailing a tremendous portion of the population, perhaps 20-25%, to remove the suicidal course of USA and to restore Constitutional rule. In fact, note it's mere first stages of a great war, for when present ruling oligarchs (Council on Foreign Relations [CFR], Trilateralists, Bilderbergers) have been apprehended there will have to be trials for gross treason, mass-murder, etc., whence many, many of these criminals will have to be publically executed, much like French Rev. times--that's just HOW epochal T-party movement is.

Indeed, as CYCLIC historian, I note this great episode we're presently witnessing will have to harken back to the original Christian revolution of St. Constantine the Great as way of uniting the people against the oligarchs. Afore-mentioned criminal oligarchs are extremely desperate and that's why they're deliberately trying to confuse and muddy-the-waters w. wars in Iraq, Syria, and now, as we see, in Ukraine. Watch-out for up-coming false-flag, which must also entail removal of I-net which has proven such a disaster to the oligarchs. T-party activity is only the beginning of on-going revolution against oligarchs.

Ap explains Christianity, Aristotle to . . . Platonistic, yuppie, trendy, whatever....

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?11348-How-seriously-do-you-take-the-theory-Are-you-basing-life-decisions-on-it&p=506445#post506445


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Eric The Platonist Reduced To Absurd

(Apollonian, 5 July 14)

 Eric: The Fed is a criminal enterprise, literally mere legalized COUNTERFEITING--can't u grasp this?--it just prints-up (and digitalizes) fiat-money--why is it they can do this, but we can't?--doesn't that tell u anything?

Imagine if u or I could just print-up all the "money" we pleased while no one else could, we having a monopoly in that. How would we not end-up owning and controlling everything?

Eric, u poor fool: can't u figure-out u have no idea what money properly is and must be?--it must be commodity, finite in quantity w. its own "intrinsic value"--which then serves as medium-of-exchange, store-of-value, and unit-of-account.

Christ was Gallilean, Gallilee a province which was conquered in the 3rd to 2nd cent. BC by earlier Judeans (not "Jews"), but yes, Christ was reputedly descended fm Jude and David, so u can say he had "semitic" heritage, "semite" referring to a language group, but the phrase, "anti-Semitic" having, esp. lately, been arrogated by Jews, meaning anti-Jew--which is how I use it when I note Christ was foremost anti-Semite (anti-Jew). St. Paul was another magnificent anti-Semite.

Eric, try to think, buddy--use that peanut lodged up there within ur little head--what do u think Christianity was made for, in Hegelian style as anti-thesis?--it was deliberately designed as anti-Pharisaic which Pharisees had allied w. the upper-class Sadducees and dominated the people of Judea, Christ, clarifying the original Mosaic law, explicitly (according to Gosp. JOHN, as I noted) up-holding TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH as foremost ideal--AGAINST lies, esp. the lies of the Pharisees (JOHN 8:44), the Jews foremost liars, criminals, and mass-murderers, as history demonstrates.

Eric: doesn't it strike u u're guilty of question-begging fallacy?--there is no "creativity" by humans, who can only discover the laws of reality and work according to. Note if the world were objective, it would also include the sort of subjectivity as we humans understand--it's either-or: MONISM, world is either totally objective, even though it includes human consciousness which struggles w. subjectivity, or it isn't (objective), in which case anything goes, and there would be no discernible order.

And lay-off the "quantum physics" crap which u know NOTHING about.

Cause-effect was "dis-proven"?--ho ho ho--too bad u know nothing about such "proof." Eric, don't u feel like a perfect fool, babbling like a child that cause-effect was disproven, yet knowing nothing about it?--just repeating stupid crap like the dumbest little child?

U have 2 choices for beginning premises/assumptions in metaphysics: (a) Aristotelian objectivity ("Immanence") or Platonist ("transcendence") subjectivism. Objectivity gives us order, making sense, but subjectivism makes us all hubristic, false "Gods"--like u, filled w. fatuity, smarm, and smug Pharisaism, lying to urself, like a Jew. Subjectivism means anything goes, everything is both true and false at same time--no wonder u love it, pretending u're "good." Ho ho ho ho ho

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Originally Posted by Eric the Green

....I understand; that's why I know the FED is necessary, and works to an extent.

Christ WAS a Semite. So shut up.

It's real experience. And implied by quantum physics.

I don't have to play God. I AM God, and so is everything, and everyone.

Objective, empirical science is always after-the-fact; it cannot explain anything creative or spontaneous.

Absolute cause and effect was disproven by Plato, Hume, Bohr and others. Postulating or "explaining" a "cause" is merely to require an earlier cause to explain it, ad infinitum. And it's to try (and fail) to separate out one cause from an infinity of factors to explain an event. No, "cause" is not absolute; it is partial, and its only purpose in human knowledge is technology.

Aristotle proposed the unmoved mover, active in all living things. That is correct. All living things are souls, and souls are self-moving (Plato) unmoved movers (Aristotle).

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Eric: Headed For Horrific Come-Uppance For Gross Hubris

(Apollonian, 5 July 14)

 Eric: interesting isn't it u're so crushingly refuted when I present to u Jefferson's consp. theory as contained in Dec. of Independence, not to mention the consp. theory of New Test. Of course u have nothing to say about it, eh? Ho ho hoho.

Next, u just lie about Plato who equated "Good" w. truth and "beauty" as most fundamental archetypes, as I understand. Thus "good" was prescribed by the top "philosophers" of Plato's fascist republic. And "good" is the very justification of Plato's fascism and all/any fascism, including bolshevism and Marxism, etc.

And then u gotta lie about Kant too, eh?--who just re-phrases Plato for the real "noumenal" "reality" and hence world of "good-evil"--just more Platonist-style subjectivism in slightly diff. sort of wording.

Get a clue Eric--(Christian) honesty is best policy, and "good" is worst enemy of truth and justice, false, non-existent "good" foundation of fascism, mass-murder, etc. Note Christ affirms we're all sinners, confirmed by St. Paul, and St. Augustine formulates exactly how "good" ("good-works") is Pelagian heresy; Luther then re-affirmed this over a thousand yrs later.

Eric: quit lying to urself; get a clue, and note u're headed for a horrific enlightenment when u discover what hubristic fool u really, truly are.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Green

....Plato's Republic was ideal, not fascist; a model and not a prescription. Plato understood that certain people have different abilities, and should pursue them; and that education should enable those best qualified to rule to develop and emerge. Kant reformulated the golden rule, which is a great foundation for ethics and virtue also found in all religions.

No proper philosopher gives any credence to conspiracy theories. You are developing the grand unified field theory of conspiracy; a compendium of error for our times. Quite an ambitious project!

Particular conspiracies induce to general conspiracy--as we know fm New Testament....

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?11348-How-seriously-do-you-take-the-theory-Are-you-basing-life-decisions-on-it&p=506163&posted=1#post506163


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Particular Conspiracy Induces To General Conspiracy, Necessarily, Logically

(Apollonian 3 July 14)

This is actually interesting pt. u bring-up (see below-copied), and it deserves a substantial, informative response.

Ok, so Christianity, remember is worship of TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH, above all/any other precepts/ideals/principles (including "good," "faith," peace, or love; Gosp. JOHN 14:6), the only way to Godly happiness; this against lies (JOHN 8:44).

So u see, the enemies of Christ actually conspire--in way of "powers and principalities" of St. Paul (don't have exact citation, sorry).

U can think of it also in yet another way/approach: Christianity, as it upholds truth, implicitly upholds the Aristotelian objective reality, necessary criterion for such truth.  Enemies of truth are thus subjectivists (liars) who pretend their concoction is true; Jews aren't the ONLY liars, of course, but they are the masters of lies, the most organized, most connected.

Thus if u observe, Jews dominate organized crime, beginning w. their master scam, US Federal Reserve Bank (Fed), literally a merely legalized COUNTERFEITING scam.  Ck the Austrian School of Economics at Mises.org for full expo on Fed.

But going back to ur observation, note ALL conspiracies must entail at root this element of deception and lying (both of self and others), u see--hence then SUBJECTIVISM (but which then pretends to being the only reality/truth), as philosophical principle--and the greatest vehicle for this subjectivism (which is otherwise rather abstract, u'll note) is moralism/Pharisaism, esp. "good-evil" fallacy/delusion/heresy, based upon idea of a perfectly "free" human will, thus making humans equal to God, God understood as the only being w. perfectly free will.

And this equation w. God was then understood by Greeks as the greatest sin, that of "HUBRIS."

Thus u'll note worst enemy of truth and justice is always "good."  Fascism/dictatorship is always founded upon "good"--against law, facts, truth, reality.  "Road to heck is paved w. good intentions," etc.

Thus the philosopher, Plato, justified his fascist "Republic" upon "good" (virtue).  And Kant justified and oriented his manipulation of reason upon "good."  So actually, TnT, u're quite right for ur observation, but I trust u see how and why a little better now.  I also hope u can understand dear Christianity a little better too.

But note any scientist and proper philosopher understands one must study conspiracies in particular inducing then to conspiracy in general.


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What's kind of interesting is that most conspiracy theorists specialize ... that is, they adhere to no more than a few conspiracies.

This guy/gal appears to embrace ALL conspiracy theories!

Smooth, slick, satanic gun-grabber tries to face-down apster, who tells him he's satanic traitor....

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?11289-What-Would-Cause-Real-Gun-Control-Legislation-And-Enforcement/page2


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Satanist Reveals His Treason--Too Easily For His Own Good

(Apollonian, 3 July 14)

No, it's TREASON, partner (see below-copied)--u don't seem to grasp it's not merely matter of Const.; it's matter of natural rights and human reason, the right to self-defense.  And what does a presumptuous sort like u know about what traitorous scum are "concerned with," eh?  Of course fascism and dictatorship are ALWAYS justified in "saving lives" or some other such moralist/Pharisiaist excuse/pretext.

War is simply violence on a larger than mere individual scale, that's all, and "sovereign" can be any individual, so u're just full of excrement, fiddling w. meanings of words urself.  And the fraudulent and not-so-violent dis-arming of victims can well be part and adjunct of the larger warfare, un-questionably.

Dis-arming the opponent in one form or another has always been integral part of warfare.  What u're doing here is to intellectually and emotionally dis-arm the people w. ur lies and twisting of meanings and definitions--for which subversion u have the gall to accuse me.

However I DO see what u want to pretend: that only outright acts of violence qualify as act of war, but regardless, such fraud for dis-armament is integral part of war-making, as I note, and it fits PERFECTLY for the other qualification of "adhering w. enemies."

"Worth interacting with"?--ho ho ho--u're just concerned w. making ur own opinion "stick," right?  And ur "opinion" about militia not being necessary to "security of US" is absurd and false--have u hrd about the berserk cops murdering people?--lots more folks in USA have been killed by these psycho cops than any "terrorists."  And what's ur problem for grasping INTERNAL ENEMIES?  Being armed is absolutely necessary as it always has been--nothing has changed.

Get this straight: WE DON'T WANT ANY OF UR "CHANGES" TO US CONSTITUTION, get it, pal?  Right to self-defense is not negotiable--it should suffice to tell u once, but u're serious about conning folks into giving-up their rights.  What u need is a good beating, I'd say, but then u might re-cover and try to come-back for revenge, eh?

"Rational conversation"?--with a pompous, patronizing, presumptuous, traitorous sort like u?--u wish, don't u, imagining u can fool others like u fool urself.

I can tell u're actually quite a clever, devilish type, and I'm even somewhat flattered u'd bother to take time and effort to ply ur lies and subterfuge upon me, ho ho ho--and u're well complemented, I'd say, for all the rather dumb-bunnies who think they're sooooooooo "progressive" and trendy, who inhabit this site, who give u cover.

Take my advice, comrade: ur worst enemy is urself--as u seem to have urself genuinely fooled for "saving lives" and such stupid crap, even if it's typical.  And I'm even a little insulted for ur effrontery, don't doubt.  But note ur life is actually forfeit, as u've effectively admitted to TREASON.  Life is tough for a satanist like urself, eh?--u're sooooooooo clever, u think, but then u reveal urself when u try "reasoning" for justification for treason.  Poor u.

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....The vast majority of the gun control crowd is attempting to use democratic due process to change internal US policy. They are concerned with saving lives, though they are often ignorant of history, law and statistics. Thus is known as politics as usual, not as treason.  [See above link for full text.]