Below-copied dialectic by ap first published at comments,
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015...l#comment-form*
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Fetzer Demonstrates Inability, Un-Willingness For
Induction For Consp. Theory
(Apollonian, 22 Sep 15)
Fetzer: u
continue to obfuscate, wiggling and squirming (see below-copied), by means of
nonsense, babble, and assertion without substantiation. U fail for induction for
necessary consp. theory entailing the genuine "outrageous" nature of 9/11 consp.
and event, this specifically concerning afore-mentioned satanism (extreme
subjectivism).
And I only ever invoke simple Christian philosophy, Christ
= TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6), implying the necessary objective basis for such
truth, by which Christianity always opposed this satanism now rampant,
ascendant, and dominant in present culture, ultimately behind 9/11
disaster.
So Fetzer, quit ur babbling and nonsense by which u obfuscate
this serious satanist issue for which u're just no help, are u?--and it's
because u push the very subjectivism which is so much at issue, foundation of
satanism, isn't it?--by which u push ur mystic moralism/Pharisaism,
right?
----------------------above by ap in response to
below-copied-----------------
Jim Fetzer September 22, 2015 at 6:13
AM
If any comment could more completely discredit its author, this one
takes the cake! There are multiple alternative theories of morality,
including:
TRADITIONAL THEORIES: Emotivism, Family Values,
Religious-based ethics, and cultural relativism;
PHILOSOPHICAL THEORIES:
Ethical Egoism, Limited Utilitarianism, Classic Utilitarianism, and
Deontological Moral Theory.
I rather doubt that apsterian could even
define them, much less figure how what criteria would be appropriate for
determining which might be the most rationally defensible on objective
criteria.
He is a Christian zealot, who is morally on a par with Muslim
zealots, Mormon zealots, Jewish zealots and other representatives of other
religious who are unable to explain (on non-question begging grounds) why their
brand of zealotry should be preferable to any other.
He offers a stellar
example of why understanding the nature of morality and the most rationally
defensible conception of right vs. wrong cannot be determined on the basis of
articles of faith, which are beliefs that are accepted independent of evidence
and held to be true no matter what.
And it is characteristic of zealots
that those who impose rational standards and are unwilling to accept beliefs for
which they have no evidence are accused of obfuscation, when the shoe is on the
other foot. This is a nice case of projection.
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above--------------------
Fetzer's Incompetent Grasp For Theory, Cultural
Context Of 9/11 Outrage
(Apollonian, 22 Sep 15)
Fetzer: let
me now briefly take-up ur challenge given at above, Sept. 22, at 6:13 AM,
entailing--
"TRADITIONAL THEORIES: Emotivism, Family Values,
Religious-based ethics, and cultural relativism;
"PHILOSOPHICAL THEORIES:
Ethical Egoism, Limited Utilitarianism, Classic Utilitarianism, and
Deontological Moral Theory."
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For note
the problem is the present raging, rampant, dominant cultural SATANISM (extreme
subjectivism) which has been noted by many observers in "hip-hop" music and law,
to name just a couple of afflicted areas. For it's within this general satanist
culture that 9/11 occurred and is now submerged for confusion and distraction.
My pt. is Christian culture, founded on worship of TRUTH (= Christ,
Gosp. JOHN 14:6) necessarily implies the objective reality which so well opposed
and defeated this satanism now dominant, raging, and rampant.
Problem
then w. ur pretended ethical knowledge is it seems to endorse a range of
disparate and even conflicting theories, as u give above, u not having the
courage to champion a coherent system of ur own knowledge.
Pt. then is
dear Christian PHILOSOPHY (embedded within the allegoric New Test. literature)
follows the implicit objectivity, which objectivity then necessarily conflicts
w. subjectivist, arbitrary, and mystic altruism of Benthamite utilitarianism, of
whatever flavor, and the Kantian "deontology."
And it's the very muddled
and compromised sort of "philosophy" as urs, Fetzer, gov.-subsidized and
-sponsored, that has rationalized and ushered-in the present, dominant cultural
satanism which gives context and cover then for the "outrageous" 9/11 consp. and
disaster.
And that's why u, Fetzer, are incapable of providing theoretic
context for the "outrageous" 9/11 consp. and disaster, as u champion the very
pretext of satanic extreme subjectivism by means of ur own subjectivism, basis
of ur incompetent and grossly compromised grasp of ethics as we see.
Q.E.D.
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ap-----------------
Z-Boy September 22, 2015 at 8:03
PM
apsterian, aside from the abbreviated prose your point is made, but
perhaps too cruel. Professor Fetzer in his younger days could very well have
flipped you in debate and most probably could today given the time. Professor
Fetzer although retired still uses his talent to inform any who will listen. If
he is mistaken at times point it out, but we should respect him for his truths
which by far outweigh his mistakes.
I feel that I was overly vindictive
in my previous posts to you Professor Fetzer. The thing is, the truth of 9/11 is
so important that any infighting amongst genuine truthers must be put aside. I'm
sure that Rebekah has made some mistakes, how could one not make a misstep in
the voluminous on going investigation? Great credit must be given to this heroic
lady. So please, rethink your position and put your back into promoting her
books for what they are, i.e., a ground breaking exposure of the official lie of
9/11. The truth and the undeniable facts of 9/11 being an inside job from a
woman whose feet were on the ground and in the air on 9/11. A woman whose 30+
years of commercial airline hands on experience combined with what must be
called divine inspiration in her diligence of acquiring overwhelming documented
evidence and testimony to finally connect the dots of the truth of what actually
occurred on 9/11.
Well, that's the way it is Professor and you must know
it. So, now use your educated and talented words in place of mine to promote
"Rebekah Roth's" work and let your work along with hers, work to perhaps, set us
free. We are counting you both. The entire world
awaits.
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above------------------
Fetzer Has Failed Miserably--Get A
Clue
(Apollonian, 22 Sep 15)
"[F]lipped you in
debate"?--what's that supposed to mean? And we have a debate going right now,
and we see how Fetzer does--evading and mis-representing the issues as
presented--and continuing to FAIL.
What's ur problem?--don't u see I
bring up simple concept, SATANISM (extreme subjectivism), well-noted and
-verified by other observers, which has so horrifically taken-over our culture?
And isn't it logical to pt. out Fetzer's muddled, incompetent "philosophy" for
his failure of inductive logic and theorizing on this truly outrageous 9/11
conspiracy?
Isn't it true Christian culture has been overthrown in the
stead of this gross, dread satanism now rampant, raging, and dominant?--has
Fetzer adequately addressed this simple issue?
U shouldn't suck-up to
Fetzer as u do, as it only encourages him for his continued evasions and
obfuscation. For the root of this satanism is very much in Fetzer's own muddled
and incompetent subjectivism for his moralism/Pharisaism as well as the general
satanic overthrow of original leading Christianity which upheld TRUTH (= Christ,
Gosp. JOHN 14:6), above all, and objectivity which had kept satanism in
ck.
Fetzer's "truths" amount to mere quibbling and details, while his
mistakes and failures are major and quite significant, failing grossly and
horrendously to consider the general cultural satanist context for this
"outrageous" 9/11 consp. and disaster, and it's BECAUSE he accepts the basic
satanist subjectivist premise(s). Get a clue, for goodness sake.