Defender Of Precious Truth

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first submitted (probably will not be published, ho ho ho) at comments, http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/07/28/911-commission-forum-shows-how-dc-works/comment-page-1/#comment-76198
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Problem Is Jews, Get A Clue
(Apollonian, 29 Jul 14)

Why 15 9/11 committees when u basically know what happened and continues to happen?--destruction of USA, Constitution, etc., within the Jew World Order.

Observe Chris Bollyn's "Solving 9-11" wherein he essentially analyzes the Jews at every strategic pt.: planning, which began even in 1980 when former MOSSAD head, Isser Harel, told Judeo-Christian flunky Michael Evans there would be strike against tallest bldg. Jew Chertoff in charge of Justice Dept. investigations where he saw to destruction of WTC rubble evidence, absconding of 5 dancing Israelis who taped the hits, set-up for the vid before-hand.

Jews Mukasey and Hellerstein were in charge of litigation whence they forced the families to accept payment in lieu of trials whence solid detailed evidence would have come out.

Jew Silverstein owned the WTC bldgs., who hired Jew security for the bldgs., struck (allegedly) by planes fm airports where Jews were in charge of security.

And don't forget P-tech corp., a MOSSAD front which manipulated the computers and programs for the FAA and military on 9/11. Gentiles were and are mere apparatchiks for Jews.

Jews have no less than 3 and probably 4 members of the US Sup. ct., and they traditionally control the all-powerful banking system, as they have since Rothschild dynasty fm Napoleonic wars.

Have u failed to observe Jews mass-murdering gentiles of Gaza?--how about the Jew PM of Ukraine resigning, now replaced by another Jew?

We don't need more 9/11 investigations to know the world suffers fm Jew world order dictatorship. Thus we need the REAL Christianity--anti-Semitism--as of Christian revolution of early 4th cent. Judaism must be exterminated, history finally putting paid to this horrific brand of Satanism preached by Talmud. Ck RevisionistReview.blogspot.com and Come-and-hear.com for best expo on Talmudic psychopathology.

apsterian

Below-copied essay by ap first published at comments, http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2014/07/nick-kollerstrom-george-lees-gordon.html#comment-form

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Real Christian (Anti-Semitic) Revolution Absolutely Necessary

(Apollonian, 29 July 14)

Blue... (see below-copied): I agree w. u in sentiment, indubitably. We NEED A REVOLUTION--as of St. Constantine the Great--the real thing. Thus I say Judaism must be exterminated, many if not most of these Jews--NOT JUST "ZIONISTS"--need to be interned, confiscated, separated by sex, and watched carefully till they die-out.

History must put "paid" to Judaism. No decent person should be willing to be known as kike or sympathetic thereto.

Thus (a) we need something to UNITE the volk by means of sentiment, and this isn't better done than by dear Christianity--which however, must be understood as (1) anti-Semitic, and (2) rationalistic.

(b) W. anti-Semitic Christianity we can then definitively deal w. the "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo/ref.) hereticalists and traitors who support terror-state of Israel, etc. JCs are foremost allies of Jews, perhaps 12% of pop., united (pretty well) and extremely well funded by Jews. Rest of pop., w. exception of less than 10% "leftists," is dis-united, confused, distracted, needing leadership.

This anti-Semitic, rationalist Christian strategy is necessary plan, the JCs the biggest problem, they main force propping Jews. The "leftists" (homosexuals, et al.) will be even easier to treat.

Further then, we merely make use of states-rights, nullification, and primacy of local gov.--this is necessary general plan; spread the word.

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BLUEYEDEVIL14/88July 29, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Its over.... The mainstream and alternative media has done an excellent job of thoroughly hammering paralyzing fear into the masses.Not to add fuel to the fire, but I dont see the U.S. as we knew it lasting much longer. We already know things are bad....Real bad. The thing that pises me off the most is the police.

The police have carte-blanche, they can do whatever they want to us and we cant do or even say a thing about it. Dont believe it? Just google up Kelly Thomas and you can watch the 20 plus minute video of the police brutally beating an innocent homeless man to death while he begs and pleads for his life and cries out for his fathers help. So sad. BTW its the same video the scumbag jurors watched that acquitted the fat pigs who murdered him. Why in all these years since 9/11 of endless conspiracies,a new one almost every week, if not more, not one person has come up with a way out of this living hell we are in?

Look at the poor Palestinians for crying out loud!. Well, people have come up with ideas, but they are not allowed to get their messages out. There is no money in solutions. If the problem is solved a lot of people are out of their easy money.I believe if you have a donation button, then you also have a responsibility to your listeners.

Dont let anyone fool you. This conspiracy business is a extremely lucrative one. Me? I'm done listening to this non-sense. I dont care if Paul is dead, who killed Princess Di. planes vs no planes...etc..etc.etc..This is all a DISTRACTION!!!!!.We need guests who are going to provide us with ideas to way out of this, not more entertainment. Because while we are being distracted by this the "elite" are just getting closer to their goal = You and your family dead.

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first published at comments, http://americansjourney.blogspot.com/2014/07/webster-tarpley-on-jfk-assasssination.html#comment-form

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JR's Psychosis Now On Display As He Seeks To Using Jew Mass-Murder To Make Pt.--This, When All Along He's Been Making Excuses For Jew Monsters

(Apollonian, 27 July 14)

JR: u're truly psychotic, given the way u so desperately wiggle and squirm to trying to overcome the logic (see below-copied by JR).

Observe, (a) first u invoke law and Constitution, and I explain Jews don't observe law and Const.

(b) Then u invoke moralism by which u insist Jews must be judged individually--which is easily refuted by the collective nature of Judaism.

(c) So u see JR: u're demonstrated and proven CONCLUSIVELY for the traitor u are--u don't care about US Constitution or law, u invoking false moralism--against humanity and Christian and gentile people. And this anti-USA attitude of urs against logic and facts of reality too, given the anti-human nature of Talmud and Judaism.

So u see how u're condemned by the facts, justice, logic, and reality--u giving no defense, except as I've noted in ur psychotic manner. Evidently psychosis w. a moralistic tinge in ur defense.

So u see how u'll be treated--u're condemned.

Thus when caught, it will be mere matter of verifying ur identity, that's all, and u'll be dealt with. This is how it's going to go, JR--and u have only urself to blame, first invoking law and Const. against logic, and then ur psychotic morality against logic and reality--it's not my fault as I've so patiently striven to guide u--to no avail.

And now we see in ur last response u want to bring-up Jew vs. Palestinian conflict, pretending, obviously, to taking Palestinian side, when u've all along been defending Jews, u now ADMITTING Jews criminality for extermination of Palestinians.

U're psychotic, JR, but that's no excuse, and u're going to be dealt with as traitor u are, don't doubt.

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AnonymousJul 27, 2014, 4:13:00 PM

Apsterian,

I'll give it to you that war becomes total. So I suppose based on this logic that you agree with the Israeli extermination of the Palestinians?

JR

apsterian

Depth, Breadth, And "Complexity" Of Present Asymmetric And Psych Warfare Against Jew S A, US Fed Behind It All

(Apollonian, 27 July 14)

How is it Obongo and satanic puke who back him, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Trilateralists, and Bilderbergers so easily wage war against the dumb, brainless bastard scum of Jew S A?--well, (a) BREAD & CIRCUSES, morons, as usual.

(b) Another huge factor is Obongo enjoys support of the mass Jews-media, which additionally, keeps the morons of Jew S A distracted w. war in Ukraine, war in Gaza, including the recent shoot-down of the passenger jet airliner w. 300 people dead--distraction, diversion, dis-info.

(c) Note further, the establishment "opposition" to Obongo, "Republicans," like McCain, Lindsey Graham, and John Boehner, actually work w. Obongo and CFR, et al. So morons of Jew S A have excellent excuse to continue standing flat-footed as "Rome burns," so to speak.

Doubt it's war in-ur-face being waged against the morons of Jew S A?--ck http://www.infowars.com/coyote-abandons-moving-vehicle-full-of-illegals/

And the little, effective opposition Obongo has, these being essentially Christian, is thus smothered and under-mined by means of such as the Judeo-Christian (JC--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for best expo on JCs) hereticalists who support terror-state of Israel. There are other establishment, fake "Christians" too, more "leftist" than the "neo-cons," maybe not so hot for Israel, but then who support the illegal alien invasion on grounds of "compassion."

See how Christianity is traduced, mis-represented and mis-understood?--even though it's still the ONLY way to unite folks against all this Jew-funded and -sponsored subversion and asymmetric warfare against Jew S A.

Meantime, we got puke like Rand Paul supporting terror-state of Israel--see how pathetic the situation is?--that's why only real hope is states-rights and nullification as things continue to break-down, the people must be grounded in Christian anti-Semitism and rationalism--despite all the diversion and distraction.

Now I hope u idiots out there can see how/why US Federal Reserve Bank ("Fed") is so key to things, Fed being the foundation for all this anti-American activity, providing the absolutely essential funding behind everything now happening for ZOG.

apsterian

Below-copied essay by ap first published at comments, http://flyingtigercomics.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/flight-mh17-more-disinfo-from-diinfo-jone-and-his-lackey-paul-joseph-watson/comment-page-1/#comment-404

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Gentiles Must Unite By Means Of Proper Christianity, Anti-Semitic And Rationalist

(Apollonian, 26 July 14)

Well tiger: Jews rule presently as they control the money-supply, and as long as folks continue to accept that money for goods & svcs Jews will continue to rule, Jews succeeding as, in ancient Rome, they cleverly supply the goons who now predominate in the culture w. bread & circuses--simple, eh?

BUT, note this putrid, Jewwy money system is on "last legs," and when US Dollar finally collapses, Jews then won't be able to pay enforcers except now in hard-money (gold/silver)--this is pt. when Christian soldiers will have best chance to revolt and succeed, perhaps in style of original Christian revolution of St. Constantine the Great.

First and immediate task for Christian patriots will be to eliminate and over-come the closest Jew allies, the "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for best expo on JCs) hereticalists and foremost supporters of terror-state of Israel here in US ("neo-cons").

But this successful revolution will require extreme rationalist and anti-Semitic understanding of Christianity, which anti-Semitism was thematic to original Christian patriots of early 4th cent. Roman emp., though not so much the rationalism for that ancient time.

So the task is clear: gentiles must be UNITED, this best by means of dear anti-semitic Christianity--BUT it must also be rationalist, Christianity understood strictly according to Gosp. JOHN, for example, Christ = TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH (JOHN 14:6), above all/any other precept/principle.

Thus that Holy Spirit, by which to apprehend TRUTH/Christ, to be pursued and achieved is that of reason and honesty pervading the whole consciousness, both for mind and sentiment. For note most who pretend to reason are not honest, and too many who are honest yet lack for reason.

So cultural task is (a) to recognize the enemy: Jews--not just "Zionists"--including their allies, the "neo-cons" and JCs on the "right," and the less effective homosexuals on the "left."

(b) Thus proper Christianity must be clearly defined as ANTI-SEMITIC, but also rationalistic, so many "Christians" forgetting Christ is TRUTH first and most, too many confused upon other less thematic, less essential things like "love," or peace or "good," this "good" being actually worst enemy of truth. "Faith" also is a problem for many as it really, properly means LOYALTY, NOT NOT NOT "believing," as if mere "believing" then makes something to be true.

(c) Thus first step in over-throwing Jews--as their money system collapses--is FIRST, in removing their foremost allies, their "Praetorian Guard," so to speak, the JCs--this is what so many people overlook. And such Western cultural revival thus requires that emotional appeal of Christianity, BUT rationalistic as well as anti-Semitic, Christian TRUTH against Jew lies (JOHN 8:44).

(d) Further, given above general cultural/psychologic orientation, more specifically, people must overthrow ZOG by means of such political instrument/measures as states-rights, nullification, and emphasis upon primacy of local gov., power ascending, fm the people, gov. only having derived powers expressly delegated, etc.

apsterian

Brilliant logic demonstrated by the defenders of Jews--follow this dialectic, below-copied. Very bottom is latest I've posted so far; I'm now waiting for the exciting response.

Below-copied essay by ap first published at comments, http://americansjourney.blogspot.com/2014/07/webster-tarpley-on-jfk-assasssination.html?showComment=1406324071384#c8605174887827455169

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JR Continues To Ignore Facts About Jews

(Apollonian, 25 July 14)

JR (see below-copied): (a) first u gotta figure out what is a Jew--it's a Talmudist. A Talmudist is a murdering psychopath who says it's ok and even necessary for obedience to God to enslave and murder gentiles. (b) This (foregoing) is the literal truth, and now all u have to do is to ck it urself to verify.

(c) Jew then is anyone (of whatever age) who confirms he believes in Talmud--u tell me if this is logical.

(d) Note Roman Catholics have "sacrament" called "confirmation," whence the Catholic CONFIRMS he "believes" in teachings of Catholic Church--this takes place at about 14/15 yrs of age.

I submit u're simply not facing-up to what Jews are and what they believe--this is UR responsibility. I've done my part giving u expo and references.

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AnonymousJul 25, 2014, 7:35:00 AM

Apsterian:

Okay - so we're making progress. Your plan is to exterminate "adult Jews." We will leave the kids alone.
I have to hand it to you - the bad guys over in Israel that murdered the kids on that beach don't seem to care about the culpability of Palestinian kids.
But this raises another problem: At what age is a Jew an adult Jew since the young are innocent?

JR

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apsterianJul 25, 2014, 12:20:00 PM

So tell us, JR: at this pt., isn't it simply the logical thing for u to examine the Talmud to see what it says?--yes or no?

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AnonymousJul 25, 2014, 5:30:00 PM

Nope

JR

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apsterianJul 25, 2014, 5:34:00 PM

Okay JR: next question is WHY NOT? Talmud proves and demonstrates essence of Judaism, does it not?--tell us, yes or no?

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first published at comments, http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2014/07/ian-greenhalgh.html?showComment=1406323201410#c4917097652152170290

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Jews, Jews, Jews--Far As Eye Can See, Regarding 9/11

(Apollonian, 25 July 14)

So what Joan? (see below-copied)--because there's a non-Jew present on the side, like a moron like Quayle, all of a sudden it absolves Jews?

And that's obviously just grossly idiotic to pretend ONLY shysters can litigate--Jeeeeeeezuz--did u really say such a dumb thing?

Who controls the US Federal Reserve Bank?--Jews, obviously--if u dispute this, u're just traitorous fool, probably a Jew.

Powers behind Fed (Jews!) then own/control all politicians and judges w. very few exceptions, own/control all the corp.s, public edjumacation, etc.

Who owned ALL the "security"--over airports and WTC bldgs.?--Jews.

Jew Chertoff was in charge of criminal investigations at the time--he allowed other Jews to destroy the bldg. rubble evidence--totally Jew operation.

Who owned WTC bldgs.?--Jew, Silverstein, the bldgs. contaminated w. asbestos, corroded fm galvanic connections enhancing the degradation of the structure, amazingly insured by insurance corp. probably headed by Jews, as usual.

Jews, Mukasey and Hellerstein, were judges in charge of the litigation preventing trials, discovery of evidence, etc. "It's Jews, stupid." There's no possible doubt.

Note INDUCTIVE process of logic--particulars add-up so that the conclusion (Jew responsibility) must now be dis-proven--which Jews cannot do, rather accusing everyone of anti-Semitism, ho ho ho ho. It's Jews, Q.E.D.

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Joan EdwardsJuly 25, 2014 at 1:03 PM

apsterian said:
"But Chris Bollyn gives outstanding evidence for Jews (which he always calls "Zionists") being present and responsible for planning, principle operations, cover-up for investigations and litigation, and then the dis-info campaign still on-going."

First, applause for organizing your case. 9/11 was a crime and it must be adjudicated in a court of law, not by philosophers and critical thinking "scholars", but by lawyers.

Finding solid evidence is the hard thing. Though it sounds good, I would think even Bollyn doesn't have any direct evidence as to Zionists being the perps. This is way too general of a concept. Are you going to indict all Zionists, for example? (It would be nice to see this evidence, though.)

To me, the most damning evidence is that "Manifesto" published by the Project for a New American Century, (PNAC), calling for America to be the policemen of the world but to accomplish that and get the support of the American people, a "New Pearl Harbor" was necessary.

Along with many prominent Zionists like Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, this document bears the signatures of Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Dan Quayle and other non-Zionist Neocons. See: David Ray Griffin "A New Pearl Harbor."

apsterian

9/11: Definitive Jew Rape, Exploitation Of Corrupt, Enslaved, Suckers And Victims Of USA
Book Review: Bollyn's "Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World"
(Apollonian, 20 July 14)

Christopher Bollyn's work, "Solving 9-11...," self-published, 2012; xxxvi, 325 pgs, 317 text, w. selected sources, demonstrates Israeli involvement in 9-11 which was massive, overwhelming, and definitive; Israel played the leading roles for the planning, preparation, operation, cover-up and dis-info--it still does. Bollyn then gives major details for the 9-11 strike in New York City, all of it additionally well-founded for context in history--as for hist. of Israeli terrorism. Bollyn's work is a master-piece, MUST reading for everyone, fm novice to veterans (for knowledge of Jew criminality, conspiracy, etc.).

After all, history of Israel is that of criminal terrorists manipulating corrupt and criminal Western imperialists and oligarchs and the repeated mass-murder of Palestinian civilians and others, including Egyptians, as in the Lavon affair of 1954, and even American sailors as in case of USS Liberty in 1967. Past and present-day leaders of Israel are known terrorists or descended therefrom, including David Ben-Gurion, Shimon Peres, Menachem Begin, Yitshak Shamir, Benjamin Netanyahu, and Tzipi Livni. Israel is a land and nation born of terrorism--terror is its modus-operandi--and terror is celebrated in holiday anniversaries for the King David Hotel bombing of 1946, for example. Irony is lost then for the brainless American morons who, addicted to the Jew-tube, blame terror on Arabs, Muslims, white supremacists.

Bollyn's account is focused upon the hits in New York City, essentially leaving out the Pentagon strike and the crash in Pennsylvania. The account may not be perfect for all the details, for example, idea of planes actually hitting the WTC bldgs., and use of nano-thermite for putative collapse of the bldgs. For the bldgs didn't actually collapse so much as they were "dustified," according to Dr. Judy Wood (see WhereDidTheTowersGo.com and DrJudyWood.com).

And the videos of planes hitting the bldgs. really seem now to be faked, actual plane-strikes impossible for depiction given in vids, as Dr. James Fetzer (see RadioFetzer.blogspot.com), among others, has lately brought-out. The Jew corp. mass-media was un-questionably and plainly intimately involved for conspiracy, deception, and dis-info of the public, fake vids of plane-strikes ready-made on the very day of 9/11.

Bollyn's main thesis is that 9-11 was fully Israeli-directed and -planned terror-event, the American components of conspiracy being secondary, complicit, and merely functional. Zionists and Israeli activists were (and still are) leaders and main culprits for the 9/11 act, the cover-up, phony investigation, and not least, the distraction/diversion of the mass-corporate Jews-media for keeping American morons' utterly oblivious to horrendous betrayal, deception, and actual take-over of USA perpetrated, the blame placed falsely upon Arabs and Muslims, now steadily being shifted to white and Christian patriots, Americans induced to dirty-work of going to war against Israel's and zionists' enemies, as in Iraq and lately Syria.

Of course, Bollyn skips and overlooks and some important things: (a) beginning w. the monstrous, anti-human teaching of Talmud (see RevisionistReview.blogspot.com, Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo), Bollyn preferring to continue the pretense there are "good" Jews, only Zionists being questionable and deserving of any blame.

(b) And Bollyn doesn't entirely, evidently, grasp the absolutely massive significance of US Federal Reserve Bank ("Fed") legalized COUNTERFEITING, the Fed being primary weapon/mechanism and existential base for all subsequent criminal activity, Jews the masterminds and top powers--the Israelis then being operational king-pins, as for 9/11.

Nonetheless, Bollyn otherwise does brilliantly for noting and listing specific corporations within which Israeli agents operate, one of them, P-tech, having had a contract for programming of US gov. transportation and aviation dept.s and military computers, P-tech, for example, posing as Arab-owned, but actually run by MOSSAD and agents thereof. Thus confusion of the day (9/11) for military and Air Traffic Controllers (ATC) for discerning actual hijackings fm drills that had been scheduled is so well-explained by Bollyn.

On the day of 9/11 there were five Israeli agents (the "dancing Israelis") and nationals arrested who obviously had prior-knowledge of the coming hit, these Israelis set-up, getting video-recording of the event in real time--they admitted later on Israeli TV they were there to "document the event." Additionally, the Israeli I-net messaging company, Odigo, sent warnings of the coming hit two hrs before the event. The Israeli Prime Minister was jubilant, saying 9/11 was "very good" for Israel. Cui bono?

Of course, long before 9/11, Israelis and MOSSAD agents were planning and discussing the coming hit, as Bollyn documents: in 1980, while Jimmy Carter was still President, a Christian-Zionist flunky of Israel, one Michael D. Evans, interviewed the terrorist MOSSAD agent, and former long-time head, Isser Harel, who told Evans terror would strike USA's tallest building in New York, calling the tallest bldg "symbol of . . . power," this in way of typical Jew invocation of phallic symbology. Harel was consummate terrorist who was not speaking idly.

Bollyn next shows how the false-flags are typically and most easily set-up--by means of military drills run at the same time, for obvious reasons, the drill merely going "live." Well-known examples are the London bombings of 7/7/05, and the Baltic ferry, Estonia, in Sep. 1994. There were numerous drills on 9/11 regarding planes, including planes crashing into bldgs.

Yet another huge item regarding the 9/11 hits is that of the "security" companies which supposedly protected things in USA fm terrorists--it was all owned and controlled by Jews, especially Israelis, fm the NY and New Jersey Port Authority and WTC bldgs, to the airports fm which the planes took off, in Boston and Newark.

Bollyn closes out his book's account of the Zionist control over the 9/11 operations w. a description of the destruction of the rubble evidence, the remains of the bldgs' steel skeleton, most of which, remember had actually been dustified and dis-integrated in mid-air, according to afore-mentioned Judy Wood (see above note).

Thus the Jew Zionist and dual-citizen, Chertoff, deputy US Attorney General, allowed the rubble evidence to be taken and destroyed, this destruction effected by Jew-owned steel scrap companies, like Hugo Neu Corp. and Schnitzer Steel Industries, Inc. In Aug. 2001, Hugo Neu and state of New Jersey paid 24 and 20.5 million dollars, respectively, to dredge out practically a new channel, deepening the old one fm 10 ft to 34 ft., for the larger ships and barges to take the scrap metal to be exported to mills in Asia--all this when the price of scrap steel was at a 50 yr low. Thus the steel rubble and remains fm the WTC bldgs was cut-up into small pieces, mixed w. other scap steel, and sent to Asia, evidence safely destroyed for Jew/Israeli conspirators.

Thus Bollyn's masterpiece, "Solving 9-11," even if slightly flawed for some details (above-noted), still most effectively demonstrates the thoroughly Jew/Israeli conception, purpose, planning, operations, cover-up, and dis-info in great and meticulous detail; further, it's all back-grounded for definitive history. At every place for operations, investigation, litigation, and cover-up, including especially the dis-info, there are Jews strategically placed for keeping things air-tight, never the slightest opportunity for any revealing word to getting out. Bollyn's work is truly MUST reading.

apsterian

Below-copied essay by ap first published at comments, http://flyingtigercomics.wordpress.com/2014/07/24/mh17-australia-sends-in-porno-and-bribeasy/#respond

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Criminal Corruption Must Be Analyzed In Large Cultural Scheme, Subject To CYCLIC Nature Of History
(Apollonian, 24 July 14)

Yes Tiger, BUT what then is the root of this organized crime? For remember, humans are sinners, and we'll always have criminality of some sort.

And as soon as u have government, u got organized crime, the idea being it's "necessary evil" in order to successfully control the free-lance criminals.

Worst of all, u got super-organized crime, PROTECTED by the gov. (hence the cops) when u allow legalized COUNTERFEITING of money-supply, as by "central-banking" and such as US Federal Reserve Bank ("Fed"), the Fed now the basis of all organized crime as THEY FUND IT, now paying-off all the politicians and judges (w. only very few exceptions who often get assassinated). It's CYLCIC process in accord w. Oswald Spengler's "Decline of the West."

So naturally, the criminals at the top, controlling gov. makes drugs, gambling, prostitution illegal--in order for them to enjoy MONOPOLY, able to charge very highest prices, at same time jailing people who are dissidents to all the gov. corruption, providing slave-labor now for the prisons who pay prisoners practically nothing.

That's why necessary first step for revolution to removing this horrific organized criminality, now determined upon the extermination of humanity in accord w. "AGENDA-21," is removal/overthrow of such "central-banking," the institution then of the only proper, HONEST money, commodity-money, hence gold/silver--which doesn't need gov. enforcement or "legal-tender" laws.

But HOW to do this?--removal of central-banking?--well, it's impossible because the criminals are just too strong--they just buy everyone, and too many are willing to be bought--long as the money remains stable. What happens is the central-banking system COLLAPSES, practically by itself--and Christians just have to be ready and organized as the system collapses, as is happening, esp. here in Jew S A.

Further, The Christian revolutionaries MUST BE ANTI-SEMITIC, as Jews are the master-minds behind everything of organized crime, beginning w. the "banking" at the top of things--and it's not just "Zionists"--problem is ALL Jews.

Tiger: u gotta face-up to Jews' basic document, the Talmud, which teaches Jews (not just "Zionists") to hate humanity as enemies, teaching it's ok to lie to and murder gentiles, that Christ was rightfully executed, that Christ's mother was prostitute, etc. Ck RevisionistReview.BlogSpot.com or Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo.

See tiger, u must understand the PHILOSOPHY behind Talmud, there being nothing of TRUTH BUT FOR WHAT SERVES JEWS ("what's good for Jews"). Thus Jews promote Platonist subjectivism, reality being whatever they want it to be.

Christianity worships TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH above all (Gosp. JOHN 14:6)--above "faith," "good," peace, or love--truth then necessarily requiring the OBJECTIVE, hence Aristotelian reality.

Thus as history is CYCLIC, following the determinist, objective nature of reality (Aristotle), the weaklings and inferiors must die-out as the corrupt, Jew-dominated culture inevitably collapses, the true Christian element only gradually taking control by default as the Jew masterminds, additionally, begin to falling-out w. one another upon principle of "NO HONOR among thieves," their enforcers among the inferiors and weaklings steadily dying-out and -off.

Hence first, primary, and immediate target for true Christian patriots must be the Jews' foremost suck-alongs and collaborators, the "Judeo-Christian" (JCs--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo on JCs) hereticalists and traitors who support Israeli terror-state.

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first published at comments,

http://ajmacdonaldjr.wordpress.com/2014/07/20/thoughts-on-christ-and-the-border-crisis/#comments

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Illegal Invasion Must Be Halted, Traitors Exterminated, Aliens Interned, Re-Patriated

(Apollonian, 22 Jul 14)

AJ: note Christ = TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6) above all/any--against Jew lies (JOHN 8:44). And everything "Christian" follows fm truth as foremost ideal, the ONLY WAY TO GODLY HAPPINESS.

Those poor illegal, invading kids should be back in their OWN countries where they can be happy--they don't belong here in USA where we can barely take-care of our own--this is the TRUTH, which u need to grasp.

What's happening is the imposition of the NAFTA program whence national borders are supposed to disappear, not to mention activation of Cloward-Piven plan by which USA is over-loaded w. welfare cases, thus bank-rupted.

So it's actually a grossly traitorous invasion masterminded by the powers behind Obongo, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Trilateralists, and Bilderbergers.

U're right Yankee imperialism and "war-on-drugs" is integral part of the problem, but this invasion is also part, indeed, the very purpose of the first two, imperialism and drug-importation/monopolization by the corp. oligarchs.

Naturally, the intensity of GAZA massacres and Ukrainian turmoil is meant to cover this horrific invasion of USA by enemy aliens--it's all part of the plan. Economic collapse is the goal whence oligarchs will declare overthrow of Constitution, calling-in UN troops to genocide Americans.

Illegals must be regarded and treated as prisoners-of-war (invaders), and re-patriated soon as possible.

apsterian

Bellow-copied by ap first submitted at comments, http://hoaxatsandyhook.blogspot.com/2014/07/sandy-hook-massacredrillhoax-venn.html#comment-form

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Power Of Inductive Logic, Especially For Investigations

(Apollonian, 17 Jul 14)

This is another fantastic analytic expo by HoaxAtSandyHook.

Note perhaps the most important thing is that folks understand the investigation and HOW investigations properly work--and how then people must begin to grasp and understand.

For it (investigation) is INDUCTIVE (generalization) process--same as for SCIENCE. Thus (a) little bits, details, and particular facts are collected--and a general conclusion is made based upon this evidence. (b) THEN the conclusion/theory is tested, and one tries to DIS-PROVE it.

And necessary conclusion is Sandy Hook "massacre" is fraud and hoax--as all evidence pt.s to it, and any other "evidence" doesn't hold-up.

So now, all we need do is to "sell" this understanding about induction, science, etc., to the public--and, additionally, to showing how all the major players of establishment work sedulously to AVOID this public svc and education, and rather to confusing, diverting, and dis-informing the public. Thanks again for ur great blog and info--keep it up, by golly. A.

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Info-War Is Being Won, Slowly Perhaps, But Steadily Nonetheless--Thanks To Heroes Like HoaxAtSandyHook

(Apollonian, 17 Jul 14)

Given my first comment above, assuming it will be published, an EXTREMELY IMPORTANT pt. and CONCLUSION must be drawn--NECESSARILY.

And that is that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, NONE, to effect there was real crime committed of nature claimed by the advocates of the hoax--NOTHING--no bodies, blood, or anything WHATSOEVER.

All the "evidence" pushed by the frauds and hoaxes is inconclusive, notional, speculative, and circumstantial at best.

Was it Nancy Lanza's (or anyone else's) blood?--well then, what's the analysis of the blood?--what was its type, etc.?--does it match any prior record of a Nancy Lanza and her blood?--her family?--brothers or sisters or parents?

What were, and where are the bullets in question?--can they be proven to have been shot fm the guns alleged to belong to Lanzas?

Pt. is THERE'S NO EVIDENCE--NONE--and everything that might provide evidence is being covered-up (a), and (b) further, it's being covered-up ILLEGALLY by the public officials in question, TOTALLY against the law. (c) Further still, mass-media is helping the fraud/hoax.

So actually, when everything is considered--esp. regarding these illegal refusals of gov. officials for disclosing the evidence, we see the TRUE PICTURE which is that of gross fraud, hoax, and criminal conspiracy, esp. on part of gov. officials.

Further, this PICTURE, above-noted, is being suppressed by the mass-media. And now we only have the informal media, like HoaxAtSandyHook and others to DRAMATIZE these most pertinent facts to the public, say about how the inductive, scientific, and proper investigative process works, and what it gives in way of info (or "PICTURE," as I emphasize).

Thus the inductive evidence for fraud/hoax is OVER-WHELMING, in all truth and honesty.

So far, I'd say, progress for people's info may be slow, but it's un-questionably steady and telling, esp. w. the steadfast efforts of HEROES, literally, of the "info-war," to take a phrase fm dear old fat-head Alex Jones. Keep up ur great work. A.

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first published at comments, http://americansjourney.blogspot.com/2014/07/webster-tarpley-on-jfk-assasssination.html?showComment=1405636675186#c4286969857131968561

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It's Truth, Hence Reason, Christianity, Vs. Jews (Lies)

(Apollonian, 17 Apr 14)

JR (see below-copied): in answer to ur (1) Jews are the masterminds and core of satanic world gov. and conspiracy. See "Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World," by Christopher Bollyn, who shows Zionist Jews as gate-keepers at every pt. for the US gov. response to 9/11 strike, investigation, legal counter to the suits filed by victims' families, and esp. the Jews-media.

True, there are top Jews and lower-level Jews, but there's no such thing as "good" Jew any more than there's good psychopath or good child-molester--even though there are Jews of race who are relatively out of the proverbial "loop." But ignorance is no excuse in this war, and its Jews who must learn what it's all about.

That's just non-sequitur regarding exclusion of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al., they're all accomplices and co-conspirators w. Jews, esp. the top masterminds, never doubt.

Regarding ur (3) It has nothing to do w. religion, necessarily, but for religion of humanity against Jew Satanists, a redundancy. Anti-Semitism is obedience to God. And Jew religion is anti-humanity.

The "plan" is (Christian) TRUTH vs. (Jew) Lies, reason vs. Satanism, hence RATIONAL humanity against satanic Jews--this was actually the original inspiration of Christianity. But note at the time, "rational" had unclear meaning, believe it or not--SOOOOOOO they used "Christian."

QUIT DEFENDING JEWS--THIS IS TREASON.

U have some kind of obsessionate fixation for Jews. Of course we don't want to substitute some other kind of fascism merely to oppose Jews--that's why we call it Christianity--worship of TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH.

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AnonymousJul 14, 2014, 7:26:00 PM

Apsterian, I still cannot agree: 1. Focusing on Jews will exclude suspected parties like Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld, Rice etc... 2. Going after Jews will entrap the innocent in a broad net - the most un-American of acts since individual liberty is more important than collective punishment - and is protected under the now-ignored U.S.Constitution. 3. I do not want to fall into any category of religion - I wish to worship as I please - so if I agree to your plan I may be signing my own death warrant. This is irrational. JR on

apsterian

Below-copied essay by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?2654-Global-Warming/page182

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Butler Claims Empiricism For Criterion, But Actually Preaches Disconnected Abstractions As "Facts"

(Apollonian, 14 Jul 14)

Butler (ck above ref.) u stupid queer: ANYONE can be anti-Christ--there is no "THE" anti-Christ, ignorant moron. And no, u stupid scum, Christ AFFIRMS truth (the objective, Aristotelian reality). In fact, Christ IS truth, the very symbol thereof, idiot. Haven't u ever read Gosp. JOHN 14:6, whence Christ explains truth (NOT "LOVE") is only way to Godly happiness, idiot? Truth and honesty (which u're not, and which u hate) are greatest Christian virtues. "Love" requires an object, "love" by itself not equal to God or Godliness, dumbass moron.

"Rossby waves" bullshit is just abstracted crap, argument-fm-authority and stuff u obviously know nothing about, but u talk the stupid drivel because u think fellow queers will be impressed and intimidated by such idiocy, as if u know anything. "The Real Climate post combines culling of data bases with modeling to confirm the idea," is just moronic psycho-babble, utterly meaningless and empty--typical sort of twaddle for an idiot like u, eh? Ho ho ho ho ho. U impress NO ONE, Butler, except for stupid queers like urself.

And Butler: u know NOTHING about Judaism which is founded EXCLUSIVELY upon the Talmud (which however, DOES INDEED, pretend to derive fm Torah), which "interprets" the Torah. And yes, Christ affirmed the Mosaic law--AGAINST the Pharisees who CONSPIRED then to have Christ killed, which execution Jews gloat about in their Talmud, saying Christ was rightfully executed for blasphemy and heresy. See RevisionistReview.blogspot.com and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo. Pharisees DIVERGED fm Law of Moses, lying, saying their "Traditions" was the true "law," according to Christ.

WhatReallyHappened.com is outstanding reporting of real news, Butler, but I'm not surprised u don't like it, liar, queer, anti-Christ, and general traitorous scum as u obviously are. "Empirical world views"?--u're merely one who goes by wishful thinking not un-like any child.

So u see Butler: I say "climate-change" is obvious lies, which lies have been proven to be lies, but u don't want to face reality, insisting psychotically, and against all the facts, upon ur lies.

U claim reality ("empiricism") is ur criterion, but u lie, holding rather to abstracted, idiotic balderdash, able to give no facts. Temp.s are NOT rising more than is normal fluctuations, and indeed, over last few years, have actually been receding--these are the facts which u cannot gain-say, merely pushing ur stupid lies.

apsterian

Below-copied essay by ap first published at comments, http://americansjourney.blogspot.com/2014/07/webster-tarpley-on-jfk-assasssination.html?showComment=1405285262278#c2422316706357815986

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Christianity, Anti-Semitic, Rationalistic, ARTISTIC Is Necessary Unifying Force For People

(Apollonian, 13 Jul 14)

"Getting country back on track"?--to what?

Jack: u gotta realize these scum oligarchs and master-minds are absolute, satanic, mass-murdering psychopaths. THEY KNOW what will happen to them if they ever allow themselves to be apprehended--DEATH penalty, necessarily.

So, they're NOT going to give up willingly or easily, and that's why our people must FIRST be united, like upon the original Christian patriotism of St. Constantine the Great, I submit, once again.

Thus the REAL, hence anti-Semitic Christianity will immediately be most effective against Jews' foremost henchmen, the Judeo-Christian hereticalists. And of course, it's Jews who are the CORE of the problem, Jews and their lies, Jews foremost liars and criminals, due to their typical, traditional connectedness and collectivism.

Further, the REAL (anti-semitc) Christianity must be understood as rationalistic, the aesthetic, literary allegory for the real philosophy behind and under-lying Christianity, worship of TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6) above all, hence then the objective reality, necessary basis/premise for such truth.

Of course, as most folks are not really capable of too much rationality, this rationalist Christianity can't be contemptuous of non-rationality--at same time it cannot endorse mysticism--so it's somewhat difficult to pursuing the most fruitful, productive course--taking quite a good deal of ART, not only strict rationality, u understand.

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?11380-When-will-the-public-turn-less-Neocon

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"Neo-Cons" Mere Henchmen For Jews

(Apollonian, 13 Jul 14)

Decade (see below-copied): I submit u gotta begin working fm the largest perspective and then work down (focus-in) to what u want to examine in particular--as regarding problem w. "neo-cons."

Thus remember and note the basic Christian TRUTH vs. Jew lies theme of Gosp. JOHN, corresponding to the earlier Aristotelian ("immanence"-objectivity) vs. Platonic ("transcendent"-subjective). Christianity then merely allegorizes by means of literary aesthetic the preceding philosophic anti-theses.

Thus "neo-con" is Jew-oriented, Jews leading an amazing portion of the gentile culture--the LARGEST single faction of organized gentiles, perhaps as many as 12% of the pop., the "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo on JCs), also known as "Christian-Zionists."

But note Christianity is fundamentally anti-Semitic, so these JCs are really the very stupidest morons. The rest of the "Christian" establishment, like the (reputed) Catholic pope are simply bought and paid-for w. Jew money which Jews just literally print-up by means of US Federal Reserve Bank ("Fed") legalized COUNTERFEITING.

Observe further, the Jew funny money-system is collapsing parallel w. the general Spenglerian "Decline of the West," this decline having gone on fm end of Enlightenment era, roughly turn of 19th cent. I'm not sure how to express this in terms of 4T.

So then, to sum-up, key to "neo-cons" is Jews, and their main weapon is Fed COUNTERFEIT scam which is collapsing--this is what we must keep eye upon. See also my thread at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...ter-is-certain.

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Originally Posted by decadeologist1011

I thought we had finally gotten out of the Bush era but I see so many people brainwashed by this propaganda. It seems only Millennials and Generation Z aren't brainwashed by them. Anyone older than that seems to be brainwashed by Fox News and their paranoia.

apsterian

Below-copied first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?11376-Could-the-political-spectrum-align-to-have-a-Libertarian-party&p=507177&posted=1#post507177

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Real Christianity--Anti-Semitism--Absolutely Necessary; Tea-Party Is Good Start

(Apollonian, 12 Jul 14)

Ck http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...ter-is-certain. See below-copied.

This is end of era--of US Dollar as world reserve-currency. And it really looks like there's going to be serious hyper-inflation, already in intermediate stage, even now.

Hyper-inflation is horrific catastrophe--as happened in Germany early-to-mid 20s, last cent.

Besides, it's best to face-up to the real problem threatening humanity--JEWS and cohorts. I think we need simply another Christian revival of most serious sort--as St. Constantine the Great of early 4th cent.

Note Dems and Reps are run by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Trilateralists, Bilderbergers, getting their money fm these powers behind US Federal Reserve Bank ("fed") COUNTERFEIT scam--which is all going down.

So libertarians are good for theory, but perhaps not so good in practicality--they have to sympathize w. Christians/Christianity--and it's got to be REAL Christianity, not the Jew-friendly sort of neo-cons and Judeo-Christian heretics.

Tea-party is more like the REAL DEAL for serious alternative to Dems and Reps--observe establishment is scared silly, having used the IRS against them as we see in latest scandals.

But again, as I note, real problem is Jews--that's why the real, hence anti-Semitic Christianity is absolutely necessary--to oppose most immediately the false Christians who presently preside over things, sucking-along w. Jew overlords.

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Could the political spectrum align to have a Libertarian party?

http://www.reddit.com/r/lostgenerati...atives/ciupdns

This comment floats an interesting proposition: there are many people in the current US political environment that would be better described as Libertarian than either Republican or Democrat. In fact, there are enough people in the younger generations (that believe things that could be approximated as libertarian) that a full-fledged Libertarian party could be bodged together and, in so doing, gain enough of the vote to become a major party as big as one of our current parties.

This comment forecasts it happening around 2020-2030; thus placing any such Libertarian party at whatever passes for the High of the next Turning. Do you think this is plausible? What might happen next if such a party is put together?

(To make my bias clear: I am not a Libertarian, I do not like Libertarianism, and at best, any agreeing I do with them will at best result in alliances of convenience.)

apsterian

Below-copied essay by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?11357-Did-South-have-right-to-SECEDE-in-1860-61-Yes-going-by-Const-(10th-amend-)&p=507096#post507096

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"Kepi's" Defective Analysis Stops Short Of Full Exposition

(Apollonian, 11 July 14)

Interesting analysis (see below-copied): un-questionably enforcement is necessary component for any political system, including one entailing, including, assuming "rights"--which u don't seem to understand.

Hence "right" is a prerogative which follows fm agreement, hence SOCIAL CONTRACT, in case of USA, the Const., the basic law of the land, made by the states.

Thus among people of the West, hence CHRISTIANS, people agree in reason to natural rights, "right" understood as a liberty, a freedom of action--an activity.

So for a moron like u, "kepi" dearest, "right" follows fm reason, as reason is NECESSARY for human living/life--get it? Thus reason (thinking) is the first necessity, hence "right"--get it?--and then everything follows fm this reason, in accord w. AGREEMENT, or "contract," esp. the soc. contract, in case of USA, the CONSTITUTION--ever hrd of it?

U ask, "Who cares what specific individuals want?" U then state, "It's large groups with power that get what they want." Well, actually "large groups" are made of individuals, so individuals are important, and they don't know what to do as group until/unless they figure things out (reason), and then agree to concerted action--get it, moronic one? ho ho hoo ho US Const. was the product of their thought and agreement--get it? Ho o ho hoh o

So yes indeed, the civilization failed for proper observance of Constitution, the North imagining, being persuaded the South was enemy--un-fortunately--and USA has struggled ever since, humanity now on brink of extermination because of the same powers which persuaded North to make war on South--the "bankers," led by Rothschilds (Jews).

So, in conclusion, we're led now to problem of the Jews--which is subject all its own.

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Originally Posted by Kepi

It's pathetic bleating either way. Either you have the numbers to amass a force powerful enough to get your way, or you don't. Rights are what governments bestow on people to make them easier to govern, they're not these intrinsic, God given entitlements that every person has just because they were born our fortunate enough to be born within the correct borders. So, who cares if the south had the right to secede? They failed, were destined to fail, and here we are today. Who cares what specific individuals want? It's large groups with power that get what they want. Want something? You have to have the power to make it happen first.

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?2654-Global-Warming/page179

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Fag Needs Schooling

(Apollonian, 9 July 14)

It doesn't matter how/what u interpret, stupid (see below-copied)--don't u get it?--freedom of speech means FREEDOM, period, dumbass.

All whites are scum--because we're all sinners, according to dear Lord and Saviour, Christ, u idiot. Only God's grace and mercy gets us to heaven, but u fags will surely go to heck--at least purgatory for a good, long time, where u'll no doubt suffer grievously, by golly.

Yes I DO indubitably have means of discerning, u stupid moron--it's called inductive logic--if it looks, acts, walks and talks like a duck, then at a certain pt., after masses of evidence is gathered, then one tests to see if it ISN'T a duck--and U PASS ALL THE TESTS FOR BEING A STUPID, DISGUSTING, PUTRID FAG, moron.

Homosexuality is gross, putrid OBSESSION w. sense-gratification, fool--and taking advantage of little boys, etc.--essentially u're a filthy, dirty bully, and sinners like myself love to beat the stuffings out of puke like u, don't doubt.

Newsflash: I'm super Christian warrior, get it?--and what does an idiot like u know about what others like or dis-like, moron? And it's impossible not to talk-down to puke like u, don't doubt. Get a life, scum.

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[QUOTE=pbrower2a;506915]How could I otherwise interpret it?

Some white people are scum. Many people claiming to be Christians fall far short of behavior appropriate for Christians. Besides, you have no means of discerning my sexual orientation -- not that homosexuality is grossly wrong. I would rather discover that a son is gay than find that he is 'into' vehicle theft or drug dealing.

If this is all just a put-on act... then it is time to pull the hook on it and drop the curtain. If it is the "real you", then you have problems. Could you hold a job with an attitude like the one that you show? Do you think that you can find a life partner with the fecal language that you use? Your potty mouth is infantile, and nobody likes that in an adult.

You talk down to people, most of whom deserve some respect for their achievements.[/QUOTE]

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?2654-Global-Warming/page179

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Mike: Faced With Reality, Objectivity Must Lose Childish Wishes, Speculation

(Apollonian, 8 July 14)

Mike (see below-copied): at least here (above-copied) u attempt to be more matter-of-fact and somewhat logical than ur previous entry, eh? But there's HUGE big problem for non-determinism just in the first place which u have to consider (I think). This, after all, is metaphysics, and if u found ur house (theories) on defective foundation, it quickly falls apart.

So we begin w. Aristotle vs. Plato, objectivity ("immanence") vs. subjective ("transcendence"). Note subjectivity is typically the resort of the moralists and MYSTICS (like Kant, esp.) pretending to perfectly "free" human will (HUBRIS) and then "good-evil" fallacy/delusion/heresy, analyzed and denounced by dear St. Augustine (Pelagianism, founded on fallacious "good-works"), revisited by Martin Luther.

Objectivity (though Aristotle himself seems to have been reluctant to make the conclusion) necessitates determinism, absolute cause-effect--we're sinners, always have been, always will be, seeking our interest (St. Augustine).

So u see, perfectly "free" human will is conceit, HUBRIS (madness), impossible, "good" the worst enemy of truth and freedom, "good" the foundation of fascism and tyranny--"good" is what road to heck is paved with, get a clue. And note it's impossible to set-up experiment to prove or even observe (perfectly) "free" will (same goes for "good"). The rest of ur text in above-copied is NOTHING but speculation, unsubstantiated assertion, and wishful thinking.

So to sum up, reality is either objective or not, for basic ASSUMPTION (metaphysics). Subjectivity is absurd--as anything goes. Hence ur question above, "why should this be?" is answered, though u may not like or accept.

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Originally Posted by Mikebert

Why should this be? The mechanism I propose posits that people in their 50's and 60's who run the institutions of our society have different worldviews than those in their 20's simply because they became adults at a different time.

For example, the generation who came of age in the 1930's and 1940's, on average, were more accepting of the view that American intervention is effective than the generation that came of age in the 1960's and 1970's. The former saw the use of American power to effectively neutralize a rising threat. The latter saw the use of American power to counter a threat which ultimately failed, and the threat ended up going away on its own. These different experiences colored the foreign policy worldviews collectively held by these two generations.

Different world views mean different policies that flow from those views. To the extent that humans choose to act in order to correct the mistakes of the past, policy can in certain ways operate as a negative feedback control mechanism (e.g. a thermostat), If you introduce a lag, (different policy by different generations) these can display oscillatory behavior (cyclical policy). In no way is free will abandoned.

I propose another lagged negative feedback mechanism to model cycles in medieval and early modern times. This too does not violate free will.

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?10039-What-event-sticks-out-the-most-to-your-Generation&p=506559#post506559

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Survival And Calculation Of CYCLIC Western "Decline": Christian Model For All Time

(Apollonian, 6 Jul 14)

Gosh Joe (see below-copied), one cannot help but to feel for u. But u know, u gotta go, much as possible on offensive against what it is that's problem, eh?--only in this way, I submit, can u be satisfied u're doing something useful.

Thus we begin w. philosophy: note things are (a) objective (Aristotelian "immanence"), (b) determined (according to absolute cause-effect, no perfectly "free" will, hence no "good-evil"), (c) then CYCLIC. Oswald Spengler's "Decline of the West," is my favorite work for description. I must admit I'm not sure how fourth turning stuff all fits in, but I notice lots and lots of posters here insist upon perfectly "free" will and "good-evil" delusion/fallacy--they're doomed, I submit.

For fascism is always built-upon and justified by "good," never doubt--that's our present culture's great problem.

Hence note the fascists are liars (Gosp. JOHN 8:44), and what's their main instrument?--it's US Federal Reserve Bank (legalized) COUNTERFEIT scam/enterprise, allowing them to print-up (and digitalize) all the funds they need for practically anything, they owning all politicians and judges, all the corp.s, esp. the mass-corp. "news"-media which pushes their lies.

Note also, sociologically, a previously successful culture breeds up following generation(s) of weaklings and inferiors who didn't have to fight like their more successful ancestors did, and these inferiors BELIEVE in the lies, imagining it's "good" to doing so--this is how fascism becomes entrenched, as we see today.

So now u only have to wait and watch and calculate--for when the money-banking system gives-out, as it eventually must, in HYPER-inflation, THAT'S when heroes and survivors have their chance to revolt and revive the previous healthy culture of HONESTY--which rejects the putrid sanctimony and self-righteousness Pharisaism which ruled the putrid old fascist culture, now falling apart. This culmination of Spenglerian "decline" is now happening--see my thread at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?11355-BRICS-now-up-amp-running-replacing-US-Dollar-as-reserve-currency-disaster-is-certain.

So now, how to UNITE the survivors and heroes who, like u, have striven so to endure, etc.?--answer: that dear Christianity, worship of TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH, above all/any other precepts, according to Gosp. JOHN 14:6. Remember also, Christianity's Book of Revelations is something of an expo upon the Spenglerian "decline" and culmination of an era, as we see today--the end of the US Dollar (and "Petro-dollar") as world reserve currency.

Fourth turning might add some details--though I'm not so sure about that as I continue to investigate it--but Spengler provides the basic archetype or model, absolutely sure-fire, the world collapsing in lies, hubris, Pharisaism, fiat-money and central-banking. Oligarchs will try to starting of wars, as we see presently, in order to muddy the waters as they attempt to make escape.B

ut take heart and note the heroic St. Constantine the Great who revived, at least briefly, the otherwise moribund Roman empire of the time, early 4th cent.--Christianity is magnificent means of culture, philosophy, and unity of the people, never doubt--enemies are the worshippers of lies, don't forget.

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[QUOTE=JosephNomad;506559]To me, the events that most stand out are the government oppressions that affected me directly: Being threatened with jail for having firewood in my yard. Threats of fines for keeping a few chickens. Cops conducting unlawful roadside searches. A corrupt divorce court judge. Decrees that I must be a slave to the city and shovel the snow from the city owned sidewalk in front of the house. The theft of my Liberty Dollars from the Sunshine Mint. Shuttering of the check cashing services that make it possible to live un-banked. The constant chaffing about mowing the lawn for fear of what the government bureaucrats will do if I don't. The letter I sent to the election board withdrawing my consent to be bound by the results of their elections. Making sudoephedrine a controlled substance.

From the list that was suggested I selected the tearing down of the Berlin wall and the over the weekend disappearance of the USSR which I also think of as a single event. I selected them as a way of grasping at hope: If those people could be so lucky as to have their tyrannical and oppressive governments dissolve peacefully and without bloodshed perhaps the same can happen for me.[/QUOTE]

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...d=1#post506537

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T-Party: Epochal Up-Rising Against Oligarchal Establishment--It's Only The Beginning
(Apollonian, 6 Jul 14)

T-party is essentially a bunch of libertarians, at least for philosophy, who, however, have been infiltrated by Israel-first neo-cons working to subvert the movement fm within. Observe the gross fraud perpetrated in state of Mississippi Rep. Senatorial primary just a few days ago, Rep. insiders and establishment desperate to steal election fm T-party.

Note the USA is in death-throes, financially, on the brink of horrific HYPER-inflation (as of Weimar Germany of early-to-mid 1920s, which ushered-in Adolf Hitler), already in intermediate stages. T-party naturally is largest, over-all political group hoping and trying to save financial/economic situation much as this is possible by means of "reactionary"-seeming radical cutting of spending, taxes, and, perhaps most of all, dictatorial gov. "regulations," including totally treasonous "executive orders" issued by Obama and other presidential usurpers.

This T-party movement is HUGE, even epochal, phenomenon, entailing a tremendous portion of the population, perhaps 20-25%, to remove the suicidal course of USA and to restore Constitutional rule. In fact, note it's mere first stages of a great war, for when present ruling oligarchs (Council on Foreign Relations [CFR], Trilateralists, Bilderbergers) have been apprehended there will have to be trials for gross treason, mass-murder, etc., whence many, many of these criminals will have to be publically executed, much like French Rev. times--that's just HOW epochal T-party movement is.

Indeed, as CYCLIC historian, I note this great episode we're presently witnessing will have to harken back to the original Christian revolution of St. Constantine the Great as way of uniting the people against the oligarchs. Afore-mentioned criminal oligarchs are extremely desperate and that's why they're deliberately trying to confuse and muddy-the-waters w. wars in Iraq, Syria, and now, as we see, in Ukraine. Watch-out for up-coming false-flag, which must also entail removal of I-net which has proven such a disaster to the oligarchs. T-party activity is only the beginning of on-going revolution against oligarchs.

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?11348-How-seriously-do-you-take-the-theory-Are-you-basing-life-decisions-on-it&p=506445#post506445

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Eric The Platonist Reduced To Absurd

(Apollonian, 5 July 14)

Eric: The Fed is a criminal enterprise, literally mere legalized COUNTERFEITING--can't u grasp this?--it just prints-up (and digitalizes) fiat-money--why is it they can do this, but we can't?--doesn't that tell u anything?

Imagine if u or I could just print-up all the "money" we pleased while no one else could, we having a monopoly in that. How would we not end-up owning and controlling everything?

Eric, u poor fool: can't u figure-out u have no idea what money properly is and must be?--it must be commodity, finite in quantity w. its own "intrinsic value"--which then serves as medium-of-exchange, store-of-value, and unit-of-account.

Christ was Gallilean, Gallilee a province which was conquered in the 3rd to 2nd cent. BC by earlier Judeans (not "Jews"), but yes, Christ was reputedly descended fm Jude and David, so u can say he had "semitic" heritage, "semite" referring to a language group, but the phrase, "anti-Semitic" having, esp. lately, been arrogated by Jews, meaning anti-Jew--which is how I use it when I note Christ was foremost anti-Semite (anti-Jew). St. Paul was another magnificent anti-Semite.

Eric, try to think, buddy--use that peanut lodged up there within ur little head--what do u think Christianity was made for, in Hegelian style as anti-thesis?--it was deliberately designed as anti-Pharisaic which Pharisees had allied w. the upper-class Sadducees and dominated the people of Judea, Christ, clarifying the original Mosaic law, explicitly (according to Gosp. JOHN, as I noted) up-holding TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH as foremost ideal--AGAINST lies, esp. the lies of the Pharisees (JOHN 8:44), the Jews foremost liars, criminals, and mass-murderers, as history demonstrates.

Eric: doesn't it strike u u're guilty of question-begging fallacy?--there is no "creativity" by humans, who can only discover the laws of reality and work according to. Note if the world were objective, it would also include the sort of subjectivity as we humans understand--it's either-or: MONISM, world is either totally objective, even though it includes human consciousness which struggles w. subjectivity, or it isn't (objective), in which case anything goes, and there would be no discernible order.

And lay-off the "quantum physics" crap which u know NOTHING about.

Cause-effect was "dis-proven"?--ho ho ho--too bad u know nothing about such "proof." Eric, don't u feel like a perfect fool, babbling like a child that cause-effect was disproven, yet knowing nothing about it?--just repeating stupid crap like the dumbest little child?

U have 2 choices for beginning premises/assumptions in metaphysics: (a) Aristotelian objectivity ("Immanence") or Platonist ("transcendence") subjectivism. Objectivity gives us order, making sense, but subjectivism makes us all hubristic, false "Gods"--like u, filled w. fatuity, smarm, and smug Pharisaism, lying to urself, like a Jew. Subjectivism means anything goes, everything is both true and false at same time--no wonder u love it, pretending u're "good." Ho ho ho ho ho

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Originally Posted by Eric the Green

....I understand; that's why I know the FED is necessary, and works to an extent.

Christ WAS a Semite. So shut up.

It's real experience. And implied by quantum physics.

I don't have to play God. I AM God, and so is everything, and everyone.

Objective, empirical science is always after-the-fact; it cannot explain anything creative or spontaneous.

Absolute cause and effect was disproven by Plato, Hume, Bohr and others. Postulating or "explaining" a "cause" is merely to require an earlier cause to explain it, ad infinitum. And it's to try (and fail) to separate out one cause from an infinity of factors to explain an event. No, "cause" is not absolute; it is partial, and its only purpose in human knowledge is technology.

Aristotle proposed the unmoved mover, active in all living things. That is correct. All living things are souls, and souls are self-moving (Plato) unmoved movers (Aristotle).

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Eric: Headed For Horrific Come-Uppance For Gross Hubris

(Apollonian, 5 July 14)

Eric: interesting isn't it u're so crushingly refuted when I present to u Jefferson's consp. theory as contained in Dec. of Independence, not to mention the consp. theory of New Test. Of course u have nothing to say about it, eh? Ho ho hoho.

Next, u just lie about Plato who equated "Good" w. truth and "beauty" as most fundamental archetypes, as I understand. Thus "good" was prescribed by the top "philosophers" of Plato's fascist republic. And "good" is the very justification of Plato's fascism and all/any fascism, including bolshevism and Marxism, etc.

And then u gotta lie about Kant too, eh?--who just re-phrases Plato for the real "noumenal" "reality" and hence world of "good-evil"--just more Platonist-style subjectivism in slightly diff. sort of wording.

Get a clue Eric--(Christian) honesty is best policy, and "good" is worst enemy of truth and justice, false, non-existent "good" foundation of fascism, mass-murder, etc. Note Christ affirms we're all sinners, confirmed by St. Paul, and St. Augustine formulates exactly how "good" ("good-works") is Pelagian heresy; Luther then re-affirmed this over a thousand yrs later.

Eric: quit lying to urself; get a clue, and note u're headed for a horrific enlightenment when u discover what hubristic fool u really, truly are.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Green

....Plato's Republic was ideal, not fascist; a model and not a prescription. Plato understood that certain people have different abilities, and should pursue them; and that education should enable those best qualified to rule to develop and emerge. Kant reformulated the golden rule, which is a great foundation for ethics and virtue also found in all religions.

No proper philosopher gives any credence to conspiracy theories. You are developing the grand unified field theory of conspiracy; a compendium of error for our times. Quite an ambitious project!

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?11348-How-seriously-do-you-take-the-theory-Are-you-basing-life-decisions-on-it&p=506163&posted=1#post506163

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Particular Conspiracy Induces To General Conspiracy, Necessarily, Logically

(Apollonian 3 July 14)

This is actually interesting pt. u bring-up (see below-copied), and it deserves a substantial, informative response.

Ok, so Christianity, remember is worship of TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH, above all/any other precepts/ideals/principles (including "good," "faith," peace, or love; Gosp. JOHN 14:6), the only way to Godly happiness; this against lies (JOHN 8:44).

So u see, the enemies of Christ actually conspire--in way of "powers and principalities" of St. Paul (don't have exact citation, sorry).

U can think of it also in yet another way/approach: Christianity, as it upholds truth, implicitly upholds the Aristotelian objective reality, necessary criterion for such truth. Enemies of truth are thus subjectivists (liars) who pretend their concoction is true; Jews aren't the ONLY liars, of course, but they are the masters of lies, the most organized, most connected.

Thus if u observe, Jews dominate organized crime, beginning w. their master scam, US Federal Reserve Bank (Fed), literally a merely legalized COUNTERFEITING scam. Ck the Austrian School of Economics at Mises.org for full expo on Fed.

But going back to ur observation, note ALL conspiracies must entail at root this element of deception and lying (both of self and others), u see--hence then SUBJECTIVISM (but which then pretends to being the only reality/truth), as philosophical principle--and the greatest vehicle for this subjectivism (which is otherwise rather abstract, u'll note) is moralism/Pharisaism, esp. "good-evil" fallacy/delusion/heresy, based upon idea of a perfectly "free" human will, thus making humans equal to God, God understood as the only being w. perfectly free will.

And this equation w. God was then understood by Greeks as the greatest sin, that of "HUBRIS."

Thus u'll note worst enemy of truth and justice is always "good." Fascism/dictatorship is always founded upon "good"--against law, facts, truth, reality. "Road to heck is paved w. good intentions," etc.

Thus the philosopher, Plato, justified his fascist "Republic" upon "good" (virtue). And Kant justified and oriented his manipulation of reason upon "good." So actually, TnT, u're quite right for ur observation, but I trust u see how and why a little better now. I also hope u can understand dear Christianity a little better too.

But note any scientist and proper philosopher understands one must study conspiracies in particular inducing then to conspiracy in general.

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What's kind of interesting is that most conspiracy theorists specialize ... that is, they adhere to no more than a few conspiracies.

This guy/gal appears to embrace ALL conspiracy theories!

apsterian

Below-copied by ap first published at http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?11289-What-Would-Cause-Real-Gun-Control-Legislation-And-Enforcement/page2

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Satanist Reveals His Treason--Too Easily For His Own Good

(Apollonian, 3 July 14)

No, it's TREASON, partner (see below-copied)--u don't seem to grasp it's not merely matter of Const.; it's matter of natural rights and human reason, the right to self-defense. And what does a presumptuous sort like u know about what traitorous scum are "concerned with," eh? Of course fascism and dictatorship are ALWAYS justified in "saving lives" or some other such moralist/Pharisiaist excuse/pretext.

War is simply violence on a larger than mere individual scale, that's all, and "sovereign" can be any individual, so u're just full of excrement, fiddling w. meanings of words urself. And the fraudulent and not-so-violent dis-arming of victims can well be part and adjunct of the larger warfare, un-questionably.

Dis-arming the opponent in one form or another has always been integral part of warfare. What u're doing here is to intellectually and emotionally dis-arm the people w. ur lies and twisting of meanings and definitions--for which subversion u have the gall to accuse me.

However I DO see what u want to pretend: that only outright acts of violence qualify as act of war, but regardless, such fraud for dis-armament is integral part of war-making, as I note, and it fits PERFECTLY for the other qualification of "adhering w. enemies."

"Worth interacting with"?--ho ho ho--u're just concerned w. making ur own opinion "stick," right? And ur "opinion" about militia not being necessary to "security of US" is absurd and false--have u hrd about the berserk cops murdering people?--lots more folks in USA have been killed by these psycho cops than any "terrorists." And what's ur problem for grasping INTERNAL ENEMIES? Being armed is absolutely necessary as it always has been--nothing has changed.

Get this straight: WE DON'T WANT ANY OF UR "CHANGES" TO US CONSTITUTION, get it, pal? Right to self-defense is not negotiable--it should suffice to tell u once, but u're serious about conning folks into giving-up their rights. What u need is a good beating, I'd say, but then u might re-cover and try to come-back for revenge, eh?

"Rational conversation"?--with a pompous, patronizing, presumptuous, traitorous sort like u?--u wish, don't u, imagining u can fool others like u fool urself.

I can tell u're actually quite a clever, devilish type, and I'm even somewhat flattered u'd bother to take time and effort to ply ur lies and subterfuge upon me, ho ho ho--and u're well complemented, I'd say, for all the rather dumb-bunnies who think they're sooooooooo "progressive" and trendy, who inhabit this site, who give u cover.

Take my advice, comrade: ur worst enemy is urself--as u seem to have urself genuinely fooled for "saving lives" and such stupid crap, even if it's typical. And I'm even a little insulted for ur effrontery, don't doubt. But note ur life is actually forfeit, as u've effectively admitted to TREASON. Life is tough for a satanist like urself, eh?--u're sooooooooo clever, u think, but then u reveal urself when u try "reasoning" for justification for treason. Poor u.

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....The vast majority of the gun control crowd is attempting to use democratic due process to change internal US policy. They are concerned with saving lives, though they are often ignorant of history, law and statistics. Thus is known as politics as usual, not as treason. [See above link for full text.]

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